Dear all
As you know considering Fire Detector being activated , the operator is warned for manually opening BDVs remotely in orther to activation of Depressurization System.In these cases it is supposed that PSVs located in relevant Fire Zone is not activated due to depressuring occurance.
A question i want to raise: If in any fire case BDVs are activated,relief load usually we consider as "PSV Relief Load" for fire case in "Flare Load Summary Report " has been resulted from which case of fire?Is it resulted from no activation of BDV?
Regards
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Correct.
The way I see it, the PSVs main purpose is to "buy time" in case of a fire. It will take time before the fire detectors will detect the fire, the operator is alarmed and has taken the decision to open the BDVs, and finally for the BDVs to fully open. In the mean time, the PSVs ensure that pressure doesn't increase above the relief pressure, and thus prevent an early catastrophic failure.
Other issue is that every line of defense can fail. The fire detectors may not work, the operator may be away, etc. Therefore the PSVs provide another independent line of defense that will give some protection in case the blowdown fails.
Yet another line of defense will be the active and/or passive fire protection system(s).
The way I see it, the PSVs main purpose is to "buy time" in case of a fire. It will take time before the fire detectors will detect the fire, the operator is alarmed and has taken the decision to open the BDVs, and finally for the BDVs to fully open. In the mean time, the PSVs ensure that pressure doesn't increase above the relief pressure, and thus prevent an early catastrophic failure.
Other issue is that every line of defense can fail. The fire detectors may not work, the operator may be away, etc. Therefore the PSVs provide another independent line of defense that will give some protection in case the blowdown fails.
Yet another line of defense will be the active and/or passive fire protection system(s).
QUOTE (gvdlans @ Mar 2 2008, 01:06 PM) 
Other issue is that every line of defense can fail. The fire detectors may not work, the operator may be away, etc. Therefore the PSVs provide another independent line of defense that will give some protection in case the blowdown fails.
Yet another line of defense will be the active and/or passive fire protection system(s).
Yet another line of defense will be the active and/or passive fire protection system(s).
Dear Jvdlans
Thanks a lot.I conclude that the PSV relief load for fire case in "flare load summary" only considered in BDV opening failure (Due to F&G System Failure or own BDV Failure or ...).Correct me if i am wrong.
In addition ,your mean about fire protection system is fire figting system?
Thanks
QUOTE (fallah @ Mar 3 2008, 07:56 AM)
[Thanks a lot.I conclude that the PSV relief load for fire case in "flare load summary" only considered in BDV opening failure (Due to F&G System Failure or own BDV Failure or ...).Correct me if i am wrong.
Again, that is correct. Size relief valve as if there is no Blowdown system available.
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In addition ,your mean about fire protection system is fire figting system?
Thanks
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An active fire protection system is a firefighting system (e.g. with firewater and/or foam), while a passive fire protection system refers to fireproofing (e.g. coatings, blankets, firewalls etc.).
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Again, that is correct. Size relief valve as if there is no Blowdown system available.
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Considering PSV on a column,in above conditions for sizing relief valve in fire case : Is relevant ESDV or SDV considered open as part of Failed Emergency Shut Down System?
Regards
Again, that is correct. Size relief valve as if there is no Blowdown system available.
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Considering PSV on a column,in above conditions for sizing relief valve in fire case : Is relevant ESDV or SDV considered open as part of Failed Emergency Shut Down System?
Regards
QUOTE (fallah @ Mar 3 2008, 12:23 PM)
Considering PSV on a column,in above conditions for sizing relief valve in fire case : Is relevant ESDV or SDV considered open as part of Failed Emergency Shut Down System?
I don't know the details of your system, you have to judge for yourself here, but note following text in API Std 521, section 5.15.2.1:
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It is typically assumed that the vessel is isolated during a fire in order to simplify the analysis, although a more detailed analysis can be warranted in certain cases. [...]
It is typically assumed that the vessel is isolated during a fire in order to simplify the analysis, although a more detailed analysis can be warranted in certain cases. [...]
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