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RLA

May 16 2006, 01:54 PM

Art,

I would be interested in your excel sheet. Working with DAF tanks. Please send a copy to rashcroft@westech-inc.com.

Thank you,
Robert

student

Jun 23 2006, 03:50 PM

Mr. Montemayor

I would like to have a copy of your excel workbook. Please email me at
thnguyen@technip.com

Greatly appreciated

ChemEngg

Jul 9 2006, 10:05 AM

Art,

I am a chemical engineer working for an EPC company. I would like to have your Excel Workbook. Please e-mail me at
suresh.asi@mhes.com

Note: since my company IT people have installed filters on external e-mails, i may not receive your email.

Please CC to

sureshreddy_50@yahoo.co.in

Regards!!!
suresh.

MishRose

Jul 20 2006, 03:04 PM

Hello Art,
I would really appreciate your workbook on the vacuum/pressure relief I work for a tank gauging and vapour control company up in Alberta Canada. Email mish@hawk-eye.com

Thanks,
Mish Rose

vmahalec

Aug 18 2006, 11:36 AM

Art, I would appreciate a copy of your spreadsheet. We amy use it in design courses. Thank you very much. mahalec@mcmaster.ca

GKKannan

Aug 20 2006, 07:59 AM

It is there in API-2000 only. It gives clear cut method to calculate the vacuum relief for a storage tank. Vacuum relief is based on the following:

1. Inflow of nitrogen for pump out of liquid

During the pump out of liquid, you have to calculate the volumetric flow displacement of nitrogen in the vapor space. This will be the max inflow.

GKKannan.

P.S. Dear Mr. Art, please email your spread sheet. I am working for an EPC company in India. My email ID is siddhukamal@yahoo.co.in.
GKKannan.

manjeet_cheema

Oct 11 2006, 09:38 AM

Hi Art,

I would also like to receive your spreadsheet on vents. My email is cheema.manjeet@colteng.com

Thanks

Manjeet

Art Montemayor

Oct 11 2006, 04:28 PM

All interested Engineers:

After realizing that 23,858 persons have viewed this thread, I've come to realize why I've had such a difficult time in responding to all those of you who have solicited a copy of my Excel Workbook on Storage Tank Venting and Nitrogen Blanketing.

It has become physically impossible for me to give my accustomed personal attention to each and everyone of you who writes in asking for a copy. I know that there have been some requests from very serious and interested parties who needed a lot of the information contained in the Workbooks I've put together and I hope this input has helped form a safe and efficient storage tank operation(s).

I am attaching a .ZIP file with other storage tank information that I've collected over the years and that may come in handy to those striving to learn how to design and operate a safe storage facility. It is my hope that it helps those who most need it for their safe installations.

Click to view attachment

pleckner

Oct 12 2006, 07:41 AM

Art,

It's not working. Something is wrong with the Zip file!

Art Montemayor

Oct 12 2006, 10:20 AM

You're right Phil. Something was wrong with the attachment or the method used to attach.

I fixed it and it should be down-loadable now.

Thanks,

Art M.

kpa

Nov 17 2006, 12:55 AM

Mr. Art,
can't locate the exel file. Please help.

Pradip

arshia

Nov 17 2006, 06:59 AM

Mr. Montemayor

I would like to get your excel workbook. If possible please email me at
dekami@bestarsanat.com

arshia dekami
thank you

chhoa

Nov 28 2006, 12:22 AM

I am also interested in your Excel Worksheet. Please send me a copy at chhoa@shaw.ca
Thank you.

Art Montemayor

Nov 29 2006, 04:29 PM

To All Interested Engineers:

Hey guys, where are ya'll coming from? All you have to do is read my post of October 11, 2006 and download the file found there.

There have already been over 130 downloads to date, so I know it is working OK.

I hope it helps you out.

gunjan

Jan 8 2007, 02:39 AM

Hi Art....

It was really very much informative. I really appreciate your efforts to make everybody understand everything from basics.
I would be really grateful if you could send me the excel sheet for PSV sizing for storage tanks on my email id gunjan.doshi@ril.com.
I am working in Technical Services for Reliance Industries Ltd., Jamnagar, INDIA.

Thank you in anticipation.

Regards,

Gunjan

helena

Jan 9 2007, 06:37 PM

Art,

I would also like to receive your excel spreadsheet for PSV sizing for storage tanks.

I am a process engineer working for KBR, Australia. My email address is helena.le@kbr.com

Thanks in advance.

asade abiodun

Jan 18 2007, 09:03 AM

Art,

Please, i am interested in the excel spreadsheet. Kindly send it to abiodun.a@atlasengineering-ng.com.

Thanks.

Dean Quest

Jan 30 2007, 09:50 AM

Dear Mr. Montemayor,

After quite an effort, I have not been able to download your spreadsheet file. I am using AOL with Windows XP Professional. I simply can't find an option which allows me to download your file. I've tried every way I know to download the file, but to no avail.

I know you have been inundated with requests for you to personally send out copies of your spreadsheet. I apologize for having to ask, but could you please e-mail to me your spreadsheet file containing PRV sizing data? I am eager to learn from its contents. My e-mail address is deanquest@aol.com.

Also, thank you for your altruistic offer to share your valuable knowledge with others in the industry. I find your actions inspirational, encouraging and a fine example for all.

I look forward to reading more of your posts. I also hope I can contribute occasionally to the valuable content found in this forum.

Thanks again.

Dean Quest

Art Montemayor

Jan 30 2007, 05:34 PM

Dean:

Done. Look in your inbox.

Art Montemayor

KOSTAS

Mar 21 2007, 07:05 AM

Mr. Montemayor

I am a process engineer, working for an EPC company in Athens, Hellas.
It would be really helpful to mail your the excel worksheet, at

Konstantinos Tsakonas

Art Montemayor

Mar 21 2007, 09:48 AM

Konstantinos:

I'll walk a mile to help a Greek out.

But this time it isn't necessary. All You have to do is scroll up to Post #58 where you will find the .Zip file will all the workbooks ready for you to download.

I hope you can download them and that they serve your purpose.

Petroman

Apr 2 2007, 10:56 AM

Art,

Thanks for sharing the knowledge with all of us.

Regards,

Petroman

Dharmesh

Apr 10 2007, 01:08 PM

Mr. Art

First of all I am thankful to you to provide good assistance to the people like us on many subjects.

I would like to get your excel workbook. If possible please email me at
dharmesh_mehta@hotmail.com

Regards,
Dharmesh Mehta

pleckner

Apr 10 2007, 06:07 PM

Everyone out there requesting Art's EXCEL workbook! You can find it as a download at POST #58 above.

Eddie_R

Jul 6 2007, 10:45 PM

Hi Art, I'm Eddie from Ecuador, in South America

I'm mechanical engineer and I'm working in a company that designs and builds pressure vessels and storage tanks. I'll apreciate a lot if you could send me a copy of your excel workbook.
If it's possible, please send it to er_scec@yahoo.com

Thanks in advance for sharing your work on this subject.

Art Montemayor

Jul 7 2007, 08:29 AM

Eddie:

It's a pleasure to hear from someone in Ecuador. If you want a copy of my workbook, all you have to do is follow what I and Phil have indicated in the prior posts: Go to post #58 and download the copy that is offered there. It's there for you to download.

For your information and possible interest, I was the Lead Process Engineer on the design and engineering of the Eden Yuturi hot crude oil recovery plant in the Selva that I did for Oxy Petroleum in 2001. I was the designer of the hot crude oil storage tanks at the site - in fact, I designed all the tankage and process equipment. In the hot crude oil tank design you will find complete protection against thermal and mechanical effects. You will also note the use of a "Flash Boot" (bota) in order to compensate for the hot flashing crude. It was a challenging project and one that started up and produced from the very outset. It was rated for 45,000 bpd production in each of two trains. The Ecuadorian government has confiscated the facilities from Oxy last year, I believe. I would like to think they liked my design so much, that they wanted it for their own.

Let me know if you have any questions.

srinivas

Jul 12 2007, 06:33 AM

Mr. Montemayor

I would like to get your excel workbook. If possible please email me at
srinivasmr@rediffmail.com

thanks and regards
srinivas

Sunil Pal

Jul 24 2007, 09:07 AM

I am working as a Engineer- Process Design (Safety) in an Essar Engineering Centre for Oil & Gas Projects.
I would like to receive your excel workbook.
My E-MAIL ID is s_kumar@essar.com
Thanks in advance

Sunil Pal
EEC, Mumbai

ravi.s

Aug 21 2007, 12:53 AM

Mr. Art,
I would like to get your excel workbook. kindly email me at ravi_satpute@hotmail.com

Regards,
Ravindra

Cindy

Aug 27 2007, 05:45 AM

Mr. Art,

I am a Process Engineering in de food and beverage. I am designing pressure and relief valves for pressure tanks. And interested in your story.

Could you please sent me your excel workbook. kindly email me at cteboome@yahoo.com

Cindy te Boome

JoeWong

Aug 27 2007, 11:38 PM

DEAR ALL,

Guhhhhhhh....

YOU MAY DOWNLOAD WORKBOOKS FROM

POST #58

DOWNLOAD

gvdlans

Aug 28 2007, 06:17 AM

Ah leave them...

I am quite proud to have started this topic three years ago that now has more than 40000 views and 80 replies! ;-) Most credits are for Art and his excellent workbook of course!

Also interesting to see that those topics where you can get FREE downloads become the most popular of this forum...

sagie

Sep 5 2007, 07:33 PM

Hi
I am an engineer from South Africa and would like to receive a copy of your excel spreadsheet.
You can email me at sagiem@foskor.co.za

gvdlans

Sep 6 2007, 02:23 AM

YES!!! That makes 83 (and 84 now...). Now we go for the 100...

JoeWong

Sep 6 2007, 02:50 AM

Let me join the game also... i have made it 85

jordan23

Sep 19 2007, 06:33 PM

Something is wrong with the Zip file!

JoeWong

Sep 19 2007, 08:11 PM

QUOTE (jordan23 @ Sep 19 2007, 06:33 PM)

Something is wrong with the Zip file!

jordan23,
"Simple" statement doesn't help anybody...but you may success in creating some level of uncomfortable feel by the users...

Do you mind to share your experiences with everyone here ?

Joewong

cammy

Sep 20 2007, 12:14 AM

hi, this is K.D.Gaikwad from India i m working with UPL , plz send me your excel spreadsheet on my mail id: gaikwadkd@uniphos.com

Thanks
K.D.Gaikwad
UPL India

ANOOP KRISHNAN

Oct 18 2007, 01:48 AM

Hi,

In API 2000, only flow rates (relieving rates) are given based on the tank capacity. That too in terms of air (SCFH air). Generally sizing of valves in storage tank is being carried out by vendor. Hence as our part, determining flow rate will be more than sufficient.

chemroopa

Oct 24 2007, 03:33 PM

Montemayor,

Please send me a copy at chemroopa@yahoo.com. I am working as a process engineer in pasadena, TX. I dont have much experience with PVRV as I am fresh out of college. I appreciate your help

Thank You

Roopa

John T

Oct 28 2007, 08:42 PM

QUOTE (gvdlans @ Mar 23 2004, 07:25 AM)

Does anyone know how to size a Vacuum/Relief valve on a storage tank? I looked into API Standard 2000 (appendix C), but that only says that "The size of a vent valve is based on the venting device's tank connection". API RP 520/521 only deal about Pressure Relief Valves...

Tyco has recently put it's Varec sizing program into Beta. This does what you are looking for, are at least what you were looking for back in 2004.

By year end or early 2008 the program will be in production release, which will include all of the Tyco PRV products in a single program. There is a much better installation (thank goodness for that), more features, better user interface, graph of flow curves, large unit support, etc..

The program is free... Varec Beta Download

If by chance this link has expired, you can always visit the home page at: Tyco Valve Sizing Website

nadirsha

Nov 17 2007, 06:28 AM

Hi Sir,

Can you please send me the excel sheet my email is nadirsalu@gmail.com

best Regards

Nadirsha

shreyas

Nov 23 2007, 12:32 AM

Mr. Montemayor

I would like to get your excel workbook. If possible please email me at

shreyas.patel@ge.com

Regards.

QUOTE (Art Montemayor @ Mar 24 2004, 09:07 AM)

Guys:

For my benefit, let's define what "sizing" means. I define the sizing of a vacuum/pressure relief on a storage tank as the exercise an owner's process engineer has to do to arrive at the capacity of the required tank relief devices sought. This requires, of course, that the process engineer carefully and accurately detail out all the possible, credible relief scenarios surrounding the tanks and their operation. The worst case is the relief design case.

The process engineer should also, in my opinion, decide if he will handle normal pressure relief and emergency pressure relief separately - not the instrument supplier.

The instrument supplier "sizes" (mechanically designs and rates) his instruments in accordance with the required relief capacity specified by the owner's process engineer. The owner and his process engineer are the responsible parties for the relief capacity installed on the storage tanks -- never, never the instrument supplier.

At the risk of being redundant, let me say it another way: In the USA (& in Europe) the government's regulatory agency holds the owner totally responsible for determining the correct relief capacity that will prevent an accident or incident. The owner is subject to being inspected and is held legally liable for producing up-dated and accurate calculations determining the true design case for each relief device. I believe that I am correct in all the prior statements I have made in this regard. I hope that we are in agreement on this issue, because it is a very, very important point.

I have designed and produced an Excel Workbook that leads you through the proper and documented calculations for pressure and vacuum relief of storage tanks. If anyone is interested, let me know by emailing me with your name, location and interest. I will gladly share this information with anyone that qualifies.

Art Montemayor
Spring, TX

rocky

Dec 2 2007, 11:53 AM

Mr. Montemayor

I would like to get your excel workbook. If possible please email me at
rahuldave20@yahoo.co.in

Thanks in advance!!

teo

Dec 6 2007, 02:13 PM

I am mechanical engineer in Romania.
Thanks mr Art
for your documentationvery importants for me
Best regards

teo

MBJA

Dec 7 2007, 12:22 PM

My name is Jesús Marcano.
I am chemical engineer and I am working in OTEPI Consultores
I live in Venezuela.
I would like to receive your excel workbook.
My E-MAIL is marcanobja@msn.com
Thanks in advance
Jesús

pleckner

Dec 7 2007, 05:36 PM

Does anyone ever read these posts?????

Go up to post #58 or to post #81 and download the copy that is offered there!!!!

sici

Dec 8 2007, 08:44 PM

i don't mean to be rude.. but this is really funny...

pleckner

Dec 10 2007, 06:43 AM

@sici:

Not being rude at all.

mike_4747

Jan 21 2008, 09:24 PM

Mr. Art Montemayor,
I couldn't find your spreadsheet that you have refered to lookin to your post 11 Oct 2006.

Pls can u send to my email on relief device sizing to canureply@rediffmail.com

Thanks
Mike

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