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[farid.k]

I never seen the blanketing valve position in series as per attached pic. kindly anybody can explain why need to have 2 in series? normally what I've seen is 1 nos for release vacuum and 1 nos for release pressure.

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[Mahdi1980]

Farid

It seems that the 2nd valve is a special type in which the inert blanket gas connected to the actuator of the valve.

It means that this is utilized for balancing.

When the pressure of the blanket gas decreased in the tank, this valve allows the gas to enter into the tank and when the pressure is enough the pneumatic signal on the valve cause it to be closed and do not permit the gas to the tank.

 

Mahdi

[fallah]

I never seen the blanketing valve position in series as per attached pic. kindly anybody can explain why need to have 2 in series? normally what I've seen is 1 nos for release vacuum and 1 nos for release pressure.

 

farid.k,

 

It's not uncommon having two blanketing valves in series when the source pressure is so high (N2 header is almost 7 barg) and downstream pressure at storage tank is a few mbarg. Then pressure would be let down with two series PCV's rather than one PCV.
 

[farid.k]

Farid

It seems that the 2nd valve is a special type in which the inert blanket gas connected to the actuator of the valve.

It means that this is utilized for balancing.

When the pressure of the blanket gas decreased in the tank, this valve allows the gas to enter into the tank and when the pressure is enough the pneumatic signal on the valve cause it to be closed and do not permit the gas to the tank.

 

Mahdi

thanks Mahdi.

 

It supposed can be achieved using 1 nos of pressure regulator isn't ? 

[farid.k]

 

I never seen the blanketing valve position in series as per attached pic. kindly anybody can explain why need to have 2 in series? normally what I've seen is 1 nos for release vacuum and 1 nos for release pressure.

 

farid.k,

 

It's not uncommon having two blanketing valves in series when the source pressure is so high (N2 header is almost 7 barg) and downstream pressure at storage tank is a few mbarg. Then pressure would be let down with two series PCV's rather than one PCV.
 

 

thanks fallah for the response. I would say it is because the pressure has to be let down twice. but if there is one pressure regulator valve can reduce directly to tank blanketing setting pressure it should be workable isn't?

[fallah]

 

I would say it is because the pressure has to be let down twice. but if there is one pressure regulator valve can reduce directly to tank blanketing setting pressure it should be workable isn't?

 

 

 

farid.k,

 

Pressure let down of high pressure to very low pressure in two stages will result in more stable blanketing gas flow toward the blanketed storage tank. Indeed, failure of one PCV will not cause the low design pressure tank being suddenly subject to high pressure source because another PCV can retard such sudden pressure spike.
 

[Mahdi1980]

Farid

You are wright.

Since the regulator type is constant downstream pressure it is true.

What Mr. Fallah says could be logical. But, the controversial issue is that why such a special valve is selected. For low pressure setting another regulator similar to the 1st one is available in market and could be used. It does not require to install such a special operation valve.

In general, I agree that it is a two stage pressure reduction ( regulation).

 

Mahdi

[shantanuk100]

Hi  Farid,

 

1. The first valve is self regulated, i.e the pressure of the gas itself is given to the valve as a feedback.

 

2. Once pressure reduction in this valve, is complete, the gas moves to the second valve, where further reduction takes place, but this valve is under the control of the operator, since it is externally actuated and there's no feedback.

 

3. The system is made into two stage reduction only for ensuring redundancy and proper operation and safety.

 

Regards,

Shantanu

Edited by shantanuk100, 25 April 2016 - 05:40 AM.

[Julien123456789]

Farid.k,

I met this configuration once time on a high pressure reactor on a water treatment project.

I used in series one PCV and one CV as yours. The reason issued from Hazop review.

In case of failure of CV, PCV actes as the 2nd device to keep tank pressure from a highest accumulation level.

I call it a double pressure protection class.

 

Julien

Edited by Julien123456789, 25 April 2016 - 06:20 AM.

[farid.k]

Thanks all for the valuables sharing..

Farid.k,
I met this configuration once time on a high pressure reactor on a water treatment project.
I used in series one PCV and one CV as yours. The reason issued from Hazop review.
In case of failure of CV, PCV actes as the 2nd device to keep tank pressure from a highest accumulation level.
I call it a double pressure protection class.

Julien

Edited by farid.k, 29 April 2016 - 04:00 AM.