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#1 rluisyo

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Posted 31 May 2012 - 05:18 PM

Hola

Estoy diseñando un sistema de blanketing y tengo problemas para el calculo del volumen del tanque que me proporcionara el nitrógeno.
Lo que necesito saber es el volumen con respecto a fenómeno de Inbreathing, cuanto volumen necesito tener disponible para este fenómeno. Con respecto al volumen para despacho de fluido no tengo ningún problema. Te agradecería me ayudes.

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Posted 31 May 2012 - 05:21 PM

No habla espanol

#3 rluisyo

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Posted 31 May 2012 - 05:30 PM

My question is how determine the volume for a tank blanketing, how considerer the thermal effect (decrease of temperature), How much volume do volume I need to fenomena thermal?

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Posted 01 June 2012 - 02:09 AM

rluisyo,

At first try with API 2000 in hand.

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#5 proinwv

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Posted 01 June 2012 - 07:09 AM

Hola, and fallah is absolutely correct. API 2000 is the place to start, and use the current edition as it looks at those issues that you ask about.

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Posted 01 June 2012 - 08:08 AM

Luis:

As I recommended to you in your previous post (which you obviously deleted), it would be best if you posted in the Spanish Forum where we can communicate directly in Spanish. Your attempts at posting in English are not coming out accurately and you are conveying the wrong message.

What you are asking in Spanish is how to size the nitrogen source containment system that is needed to furnish the inbreathing nitrogen requirement of your tank(s). But that is not what you are writing in English. API has no help for you in determining the maximum flow rate and the total quantity of stored nitrogen you require for maintaining your tank(s) fully inerted. This is an easy problem to resolve, but one that requires some more basic data.

Again, I believe we can resolve this much faster in Spanish, but if you prefer English, that’s fine too.

#7 rluisyo

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Posted 01 June 2012 - 08:30 AM

Hola

Art he revisado la norma API 2000, la cual en su anexo A, solo me determina flujos mínimos de gas debido a despacho y perdidas por contracción del vapor. Mi duda es como determino el volumen de nitrógeno disponible que necesito para abastecer mi sistema de blanketing.

Muy agradecido.

#8 proinwv

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Posted 01 June 2012 - 09:06 AM

This may improve my Spanish beyond "una mas cerveza fria senor".

#9 rluisyo

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Posted 01 June 2012 - 09:31 AM

Paul Ostand
My question is: How do I determine the amount of Storage space for my nitrogen blanketing system?. The API in Annex F, I did not mention anything much about it, which mostly, the volume that need by falling temperatures.

Thanks

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Posted 01 June 2012 - 09:36 AM

I do not understand the question.

#11 rluisyo

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Posted 01 June 2012 - 10:04 AM

How to determine the storage volume for nitrogen blanketing system?.

#12 Art Montemayor

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Posted 01 June 2012 - 03:01 PM


What Luis is asking is exactly what I stated before: “is how does he size the nitrogen source containment system that is needed to furnish the inbreathing nitrogen requirement of his tank(s).

I have addressed this same query in prior threads and I will give a brief outline, since Luis has not furnished the additional basic data that I said was needed:
  • Find out the maximum pump-out flow rate of the fluids going out of the tank;
  • Determine the number of pump-outs occur during a given day (or week) and how much total liquid fluid has been pumped out during the given day (or week).
  • The maximum pump-out flow rate is an estimate for the size of the nitrogen (or inert gas) flow rate that must be fed to the tank. I usually multiply this figure by 1.35 to 1.5.
  • The total liquid fluid volume quantity pumped out represents the total volume of inert gas required during that period – when the gas is measured at essentially ambient temperature and ambient pressure (14.7 psia). I usually multiply this figure by 1.25.
  • The total amount of gas volume at atmospheric conditions is converted to the volume at the user’s (Luis’) storage conditions. That is the size of the storage gas volume at storage conditions.
We don’t know the pump-out rate or total liquid pump-out. Neither do we know how it is going to be stored on site and for how long a use on the storage tank(s). If we did, we would calculated the answer.




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