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#133199 Psv Release Rate Vs Time

Posted by Fletch on 01 December 2024 - 08:48 AM in Chemical Process Simulation

While you have mentioned a flare system adequacy study, to me the key information is from the upstream/process side of the device where the upset is occurring.

Dynamic simulation would be one option to consider.

 

Anther option is to a time based calculation of system pressure, resulting from flow in, flow out and accumulation... you can make this as simple or complicated as you like.

But first consider/gathering the following bits of information.

 

Some details to consider

PSV release rate,

Is it a conventional valve? if the system pressure is above the set pressure, then you can consider the rated flow from the relief valve, only when the upstream pressure reduces will the valve close. This flow may be larger than the upset flow.

If its a modulating pilot, then the valve will only relieve the flow required to maintain the system pressure at the relief conditions, up to the rated flow of the device. As the upstream system pressure goes up and goes down (i.e. when the other CV open) then the flow will be proportional to this change. With the valve closing when the pressure drops to the set pressure (for simplicity)

 

Upset Flow,

The flow coming in causing the system to reach the PSV set pressure, is it considered constant for the duration of your assessment? or are there some variations

 

Extra CV.

When or how are they opened, manual based on a response to this PSV opening or based on pressure somewhere in the system (NOTE, i would really expect these CV to already be open before the relief valve not after)

Flow of this valve, assume its full open? or attempting to control to a pressure, which given the upset scenario, you could consider the full flow of the valve

 

Accumulation Calc / Process Safety Time Calc

Consider the scenario is simple blocks, at each step, there will be a starting and ending pressure. Work out the density at these conditions. Determine the accumulation flow of that step, then based on the density difference and the flow rate in, you can work out the time of each step (assuming constant system volume)

 

 

1. Upset flow only, flow is coming in, accumulating pressure in the system. If there is other flow out, then work out the difference of the flows which your accumulation flow.

2. PSV Opens, Work out the flow for this step (Flow in - Flow out of PSV), this will either maintain the pressure or reduce the pressure if the PSV flow out is > than the upset flow.

3. If pressure cycles, then repeat until the time or something occurs to open your control valve

4. CV Open, determine new net flow for the system (F in - F out PSV - F out CV), and consider flow until PSV closes (PSV set pressure).

5. CV Only, determine the flow of this scenario (F in - F out CV) ... take this through to an end point. Flow cold be modulating down CV could be controlling to some set point.

 

This should get you through the main steps of the scenario and give you a bit of information of the flow to the flare system for your adequacy check.




#132509 Need Help On Hysys - Valve Opening Vs Valve Cv

Posted by Fletch on 28 July 2024 - 07:05 AM in Chemical Process Simulation

Increasing the valve opening will increase the available Cv of the control valve, other system effects (e.g. increased flow or lower pressure drop) will change to match the Cv of the valve.

 

One thought to what you were seeing "increased valve opening, lower Cv" is if you are using the Rating view in HYSYS and use SIZE VALVE.

The tool gives you the full open Cv value for your conditions.

 

Say you size the valve at the flow conditions at say 50% open and get a Cv of 40.

You then change only the % open to 100% and size the valve, you will get a Cv of 20.

 

Your conditions haven't changed except the %open, but you have asked the program to SIZE the valve, the size of the valve is defined at the full open condition.

The % open can be used to determine to understand how open the valve will be for your changed conditions, when you know the full open Cv. You adjust the % open until your Cv matches your figure.

 

As mentioned at the start, to see the increased Cv for the %open, you need to change the main inputs (increase flow or lower dP)




#131310 Mass Balance Error

Posted by Fletch on 21 February 2024 - 09:12 AM in Chemical Process Simulation

Check the threshold limits for flowrate parameters in any recycles, they will only push forward a fresh flowrate when there is sufficient difference between the values across the recycle.

Reduce the threshold and the recycle will keep the flowrate updated, reducing the discrepancy in your mass balance. 

(composition error across the recycle could also influence the mass balance).