we use R134a as the refrigerant with single stage turbo centrifugal compressor for vapor compression cycle.
Suction pressure :4.7barg.
suction temp : 15.5°C
discharge pressure : 9.8barg
discharge temp.???
condensor is water cooled with 810tons/hr at inlet temp 35°C
Process fluid in evaporator is water cooled from 20.8°C to 15°C with 350tons/hr flow.
capacity control is by suction dampner vanes.
what are the factors that the discharge temp depends on? and how much should it be?
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Started by Guest_Guest_afdmello_*_*, Oct 26 2005 02:31 PM
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Posted 26 October 2005 - 02:31 PM
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Posted 27 October 2005 - 08:48 AM
You have a fixed composition, known suction conditions and a known discharge pressure for the compressor so you have defined its operating point. The discharge temperature depends only on the performance characteristics of the compressor, specifically the efficiency at this operating point. The vendor performance curves will define the expected efficiency for a series of inlet guide vane (suction dampener) positions at a specified suction flow, which you can look up from the known polytropic head. Additionally, there may be some degradation from this value due to machine wear, which would cause an increased discharge temperature.
Since you seem to have most of the relevant data, it would be relatively straight forward to build a simulation model of the compressor and the whole refrigeration loop. This could be used to track expected discharge temperature vs actual to estimate compressor wear and schedule maintenance accordingly. If you didn't want to do this yourself, or don't have the resources, there are plenty of companies out there who could help.
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Since you seem to have most of the relevant data, it would be relatively straight forward to build a simulation model of the compressor and the whole refrigeration loop. This could be used to track expected discharge temperature vs actual to estimate compressor wear and schedule maintenance accordingly. If you didn't want to do this yourself, or don't have the resources, there are plenty of companies out there who could help.

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Posted 28 October 2005 - 04:46 PM
AFDMello:
The relation between the suction and discharge temperatures of a gas during any single compression step is:
T2 = T1 (RC) (k-1)/k
where,
T2 = the compressor’s discharge absolute temperature, oK
T1 = the compressor’s suction absolute temperature, oK
RC = the compression ratio (P2/P1)
P2 = the compressor’s discharge absolute pressure, barA
P1 = the compressor’s suction absolute pressure, barA
k = the ratio of the gaseous fluid’s specific heats (Cp/Cv)
In a reciprocating compressor the compression takes place at close to isentropic conditions (entropy change = 0), and the above equation holds true. In a centrifugal machine, however, the compression process is more nearly a polytropic one and the value of k is substituted by a value of “n” – n being the characteristic of the gas that determines its compression performance. The usual centrifugal compressor is uncooled internally, and hence operates with polytropic characteristics having an “n” greater than “k”.
Please take a look at the attached simplified flow diagram. Note that there are two possible values for the suction pressure of the centrifugal compressor: before your suction damper vanes or after the damper vanes. It makes a big difference to the machine and I’ll assume you mean that P1 (the pressure after the suction damper vanes is the 4.7 barG (5.713 barA) that you cite. Also note that you don’t indicate clearly what the loads on the water-cooled condenser or the evaporator are. For example, do the cited tons/hour mean refrigerant flow or water flow and process fluid flow? Without the density of the process fluid one can’t determine the heat load because of a lack of identifying the heat capacity of the process fluid. You also need the terminal temperature conditions on the exchangers.
Note if you go to:
http://webbook.nist....hemistry/fluid/
which is the NIST free database website for refrigerant thermodynamic values, you will see that at the conditions of 15.5 oC and 5.713 barA you have LIQUID R-134A and not VAPOR R-134A. I suspect that the pressure at P2 is really 4.7 barA – which would make P1 even less, maybe 4.5 barA (approx. 5.51 barG). This would put your suction vapor in the correct thermo zone and make it safe for the compressor.
Note that you can calculate the absolute discharge temperature out of your centrifugal compressor if you know the value of “n”. You obviously have the means to identify the values of the actual suction temperature and pressure going into the compressor (not before the damper vanes!) and the compression ratio. If you have a spreadsheet or a Hewlett-Packard calculator, the exercise should be easy.
You should be able to get the “n” value from your Compressor curves or from the compressor manufacturer. While you’re at it, you could check with them about what the design discharge temperature is and under what conditions. The information should be very interesting and helpful.
One more note: All the text books and articles I’ve read in over 40 years have failed to specify just what are the temperature conditions for calculating the “k” or “n”. Two reciprocating compressor manufacturers confided in me that they used 150 oF as the average stage temperature at which to calculate the Cp and Cv. I have been looking for an academic answer or response to this but have never succeeded in getting one. That’s just another example of the need for practical engineers in the field. The academics are so above the actual compression application that they forget that the damn gas is increasing in temperature and Cp and Cv are both dependent on temperature – so what is the temperature that you base your “k” or “n” at?
I hope this helps out.
The relation between the suction and discharge temperatures of a gas during any single compression step is:
T2 = T1 (RC) (k-1)/k
where,
T2 = the compressor’s discharge absolute temperature, oK
T1 = the compressor’s suction absolute temperature, oK
RC = the compression ratio (P2/P1)
P2 = the compressor’s discharge absolute pressure, barA
P1 = the compressor’s suction absolute pressure, barA
k = the ratio of the gaseous fluid’s specific heats (Cp/Cv)
In a reciprocating compressor the compression takes place at close to isentropic conditions (entropy change = 0), and the above equation holds true. In a centrifugal machine, however, the compression process is more nearly a polytropic one and the value of k is substituted by a value of “n” – n being the characteristic of the gas that determines its compression performance. The usual centrifugal compressor is uncooled internally, and hence operates with polytropic characteristics having an “n” greater than “k”.
Please take a look at the attached simplified flow diagram. Note that there are two possible values for the suction pressure of the centrifugal compressor: before your suction damper vanes or after the damper vanes. It makes a big difference to the machine and I’ll assume you mean that P1 (the pressure after the suction damper vanes is the 4.7 barG (5.713 barA) that you cite. Also note that you don’t indicate clearly what the loads on the water-cooled condenser or the evaporator are. For example, do the cited tons/hour mean refrigerant flow or water flow and process fluid flow? Without the density of the process fluid one can’t determine the heat load because of a lack of identifying the heat capacity of the process fluid. You also need the terminal temperature conditions on the exchangers.
Note if you go to:
http://webbook.nist....hemistry/fluid/
which is the NIST free database website for refrigerant thermodynamic values, you will see that at the conditions of 15.5 oC and 5.713 barA you have LIQUID R-134A and not VAPOR R-134A. I suspect that the pressure at P2 is really 4.7 barA – which would make P1 even less, maybe 4.5 barA (approx. 5.51 barG). This would put your suction vapor in the correct thermo zone and make it safe for the compressor.
Note that you can calculate the absolute discharge temperature out of your centrifugal compressor if you know the value of “n”. You obviously have the means to identify the values of the actual suction temperature and pressure going into the compressor (not before the damper vanes!) and the compression ratio. If you have a spreadsheet or a Hewlett-Packard calculator, the exercise should be easy.
You should be able to get the “n” value from your Compressor curves or from the compressor manufacturer. While you’re at it, you could check with them about what the design discharge temperature is and under what conditions. The information should be very interesting and helpful.
One more note: All the text books and articles I’ve read in over 40 years have failed to specify just what are the temperature conditions for calculating the “k” or “n”. Two reciprocating compressor manufacturers confided in me that they used 150 oF as the average stage temperature at which to calculate the Cp and Cv. I have been looking for an academic answer or response to this but have never succeeded in getting one. That’s just another example of the need for practical engineers in the field. The academics are so above the actual compression application that they forget that the damn gas is increasing in temperature and Cp and Cv are both dependent on temperature – so what is the temperature that you base your “k” or “n” at?
I hope this helps out.
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Posted 31 October 2005 - 05:51 AM
Lots of useful advice here but it should probably be noted that the difference between k (adiabatic exponent) and n (polytropic exponent) is the efficiency:
n / (n-1) = eff * k / (k-1)
The equation supplied by Art gives you the adiabatic discharge temperature, but your compressor will be adding heat to the process so the actual discharge temperature will be higher than this value.
T2 / T1 = (Rc) ^ (k-1)/k
Using the same equation with n instead of k will give you the manufacturer's expected discharge temperature. If your actual measured value is higher than this, your compressor is operating sub-optimally.
Martin Sneesby
Advanced Process Engineering & Simulation Services
n / (n-1) = eff * k / (k-1)
The equation supplied by Art gives you the adiabatic discharge temperature, but your compressor will be adding heat to the process so the actual discharge temperature will be higher than this value.
T2 / T1 = (Rc) ^ (k-1)/k
Using the same equation with n instead of k will give you the manufacturer's expected discharge temperature. If your actual measured value is higher than this, your compressor is operating sub-optimally.
Martin Sneesby
Advanced Process Engineering & Simulation Services
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