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Ammonium Sulphate - Hysys Component


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#1 Guest_Sween_*

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Posted 23 January 2006 - 02:07 AM

Hello,

I'm doing a Hysys project that will need to use Ammonium Sulphate. However, I can't seem to find Ammonium Sulphate in the list of components. Even typing the formula doesn't help. Please help!

Thanks. =)

#2 abhi_agrawa

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Posted 23 January 2006 - 03:48 AM

Dear Sween,
Since the component does not exist in the HYSYS database, you will have to create a hypo component. This can be done through the hypothetical manager. While defining the component, be sure that you select it as an inorganic salt.
You will need to enter some physical properties of ammonium sulphate for the same.
Hope this helps,
abhishek

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Posted 23 January 2006 - 04:38 AM

Hello abhishek, thanks for your prompt reply!

Do I click on the "add solid" or "add hypo" button? And is it necessary to type in the information for all fields? I wasn't able to find the critical temp and pressure of ammonium sulphate. As for liquid density, I only managed to find the solid density.

Please help! Thanks!

#4 abhi_agrawa

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Posted 23 January 2006 - 05:43 AM

Hi!
This is what I usually do:
Go to the Simulation basis manager, from the tabs Components, fluid packages etc select Hypotheticals.
Go to Add
In the dialogue box, change the Component class to whatever is suited for your case. The default is hydrocarbon.
Then add hypo. If in your simulation, the component is always solid, then add solid, else add Hypo.
Give the required poperties.
Then hope for the best. Do not be surprised if you get strange results, because the predictions can never be better than the assumptions the software makes and I am not sure what assumptions it makes.

If ammonium sulphate is present in a solution, you may try defining the ions (ammonium and sulphate ions) and then may be use the electro-NRTL property method.

I hope that this would have cleared some of your doubts.

abhishek

PS: I personally prefer ASPEN when it comes to user defined components/electrolytes or solids.

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Posted 25 January 2006 - 02:59 AM

Hi abhishek,

I'm actually working on a Hysys project, so I won't be able to use ASPEN (which I don't know actually).

Ammonium sulphate, for my project, is actually a solution. So I guess, I'll have to try your method of "If ammonium sulphate is present in a solution, you may try defining the ions (ammonium and sulphate ions) and then may be use the electro-NRTL property method".

However, I have no idea how to go about doing that. What's electro-NRTL?

Thanks!

#6 abhi_agrawa

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Posted 26 January 2006 - 10:04 PM

Sween,
When you go to the add component view, then in the component sub-group, you will see Traditional and Electrolyte. Select electrolyte and you will see a list of electrolytes already defined in HYSYS. From these you can pick those you require. I have not seen the list, but I guess that it will have Ammonium as well as sulphate ion.

Hope this will help.

abhishek

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Posted 28 February 2006 - 04:14 PM

Hi,

I'm also working with Ammonium Sulphate for vapor crystilizers..

Anyone can help me with more information about this ?

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Posted 09 March 2006 - 08:49 PM

My case is slightly different from Sween.My plant consist ammonium bisulphate,i wonder how can i do that since i have two cations,NH4 and H and one anion which is sulphate?

#9 abhi_agrawa

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Posted 09 March 2006 - 09:47 PM

In your case the relevant ions should be : NH4+, H+, SO4-- and HSO4-

-abhishek




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