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[NICOLAST]

Dear community, we am looking for a professional to advice us for a technical dispute that we have concerning our request to use N2 blanketing in Gasoline tanks with IFR, that are currently being built.

Edited by NICOLAST, 20 December 2024 - 01:59 PM.

[Pilesar]

The roof floats on the liquid gasoline in the tank. How do you want to use the N2? What is the technical dispute and who is it with? If you want professional advice to help you design a storage tank, I suggest you hire an engineer with expertise in gasoline storage.

[breizh]

Hi,

You may find pointers in the documents attached.

Review the details about floating roof.

https://www.joiff.co...g-Guideline.pdf

Breizh

Attached Files

•  Organic_Liquid_Storage_Tanks.pdf   2.19MB   10 downloads

[NICOLAST]

The issue that we have is: 

 

Data:

We have (3) Gasoline tanks of Diameter 45m, height 22m, that are now being build. The tanks are pressurised with N2, at low pressures.

Gasolines will be stable for long period - 2-3 years and the external temperatures are 5oC-45oC humid

 

Gasoline Vapor pressure: 600-800 mbar-absolute

Tanks operating pressure controlled by nitrogen blanketing control valve: 5-10 mbarg  

Set point PVVs: to be advised by tank Contractor (probably something less than tank design pressure)

Design pressure of tank according to Contractor calculations: 14,4 mbarg

 

Will the N2 Blanketing work in our case, or will the Gasoline vapours replace the N2 blanketing and at the end we will have a confined space of Gasoline vapours?

 

 

 

[NICOLAST]

The dispute is between the Contractor and his Consultants, who claims that this will not work, and the Employers Representative Engineers

[breizh]

Hi,

With a IFR , there is no need for N2.The vapor space is very minimum. The floating roof is "floating" above the liquid surface.

http://www.largestor...orage-tank.html

Again, let you read the different documents shared.

Breizh 

[NICOLAST]

Because we are storing for long periods, we wanted to minimize the Gasoline emissions, so both N2 blanketing and IFR were chosen. The question though remains, does this configuration with the above mentioned pressures works?

[latexman]

Because we are storing for long periods, we wanted to minimize the Gasoline emissions, so both N2 blanketing and IFR were chosen. The question though remains, does this configuration with the above mentioned pressures works?

 

IMHO, a better question is, is the addition of N2 blanket to IFR economically justified?  N2 blanket is not free!  Answer this, before designing a new configuration of tank.

[breizh]

Hi,

To add to latexman's reply, the N2 must be dry! $$$$

Breizh

[NICOLAST]

Thank you both. The IFR and N2 blanketing for Gasoline tanks are requirements from the Owner, and we are not in place to judge this.

[latexman]

Do you envision the N2 to be above the liquid gasoline and below the IFR, above the IFR, or both?

[NICOLAST]

Above the IFR only

[latexman]

Cool, I don't see why it won't work, but I have no experience in it.  Best to wait and see if you get a reply from someone that has experience with this application.

[NICOLAST]

Thank you very much! I hope I find someone with a past experience on this! Either way I will inform the forum!

[breizh]

Hi,

A google search:

https://www.ast-foru...sp?master=16755

Hopefully someone with experience on the matter will reply.

Good luck

Breizh

[Dacs]

N2 blanketing is not for the gasoline vapor. IFR will take care of that.

 

It's possible that N2 blanketing is there to add safety layer for any vapor leaks to prevent LEL inside the tank.

 

Dig up the HAZOP for this system and check whether scenario of explosive vapor formation in the IFR was considered. This should trigger the need of N2 blanketing/purging.

 

And if this is an Owner's requirement, why challenge? They're gonna pay for it anyway!