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#1 hum464

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Posted 10 September 2025 - 05:45 AM

Hello,

I’m reviewing a calculation sheet for a liquid ammonia storage tank designed to API 620 App "R". One of the scenarios listed is heat gain from pump (8,256 kg/hr), which turns out to be the largest and governing case for PSV sizing (picture attached below).

My question is: what could be the cause of such a high relief requirement from pump heat gain? According to API 2000, the common scenarios are normal/thermal outbreathing, fire exposure, and some specific cases related to refrigerant tanks (Section 4).

Has anyone encountered a similar situation, or can explain why pump heat input would dominate the PSV sizing?

 

   


Edited by hum464, 24 September 2025 - 07:12 AM.


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Posted 10 September 2025 - 06:21 AM


Consider the link underneath:
https://ammoniaknowh...-storage-tanks/

You may want to contact them.

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Posted 11 September 2025 - 05:30 AM

That is odd. Is there a fire case? I do not see your attachment. Did you forget to attach it? Is this ammonia tank in the USA?

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Posted 15 September 2025 - 11:33 PM

Hello,
I’m reviewing a calculation sheet for a liquid ammonia storage tank designed to API 620 App "R". One of the scenarios listed is heat gain from pump (8,256 kg/hr), which turns out to be the largest and governing case for PSV sizing (picture attached below).
My question is: what could be the cause of such a high relief requirement from pump heat gain? According to API 2000, the common scenarios are normal/thermal outbreathing, fire exposure, and some specific cases related to refrigerant tanks (Section 4).
Has anyone encountered a similar situation, or can explain why pump heat input would dominate the PSV sizing?


Heat gain generates Boil off gas, which is one (the bog) of the relief sources to be combined with other scenarios

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Posted 19 September 2025 - 09:04 PM

Hello,

I’m reviewing a calculation sheet for a liquid ammonia storage tank designed to API 620 App "R". One of the scenarios listed is heat gain from pump (8,256 kg/hr), which turns out to be the largest and governing case for PSV sizing (picture attached below).

My question is: what could be the cause of such a high relief requirement from pump heat gain? According to API 2000, the common scenarios are normal/thermal outbreathing, fire exposure, and some specific cases related to refrigerant tanks (Section 4).

Has anyone encountered a similar situation, or can explain why pump heat input would dominate the PSV sizing?

 

Nothing attached!



#6 carlos infante

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Posted 21 September 2025 - 06:53 AM

It is not a credible scenary.  

 

The calculation  for the BOG load should conten a load table scenary. Seach for that document.

 

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#7 hum464

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Posted 24 September 2025 - 07:23 AM

 

Hello,

I’m reviewing a calculation sheet for a liquid ammonia storage tank designed to API 620 App "R". One of the scenarios listed is heat gain from pump (8,256 kg/hr), which turns out to be the largest and governing case for PSV sizing (picture attached below).

My question is: what could be the cause of such a high relief requirement from pump heat gain? According to API 2000, the common scenarios are normal/thermal outbreathing, fire exposure, and some specific cases related to refrigerant tanks (Section 4).

Has anyone encountered a similar situation, or can explain why pump heat input would dominate the PSV sizing?

 

Nothing attached!

 

 

Sorry, forgot to attach the screenshot. This is for a 3,000 MeT ammonia tank designed for -39°C and 0.1kg/cm2.g.  

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#8 hum464

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Posted 24 September 2025 - 07:25 AM

That is odd. Is there a fire case? I do not see your attachment. Did you forget to attach it? Is this ammonia tank in the USA?

Please see attachement above. No, this tank is not in the USA.



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Posted 24 September 2025 - 07:33 AM

Hi,

Consider reviewing the document attached, it may support your study.

It does not answer your specific question but provide info about design and safety .

Breizh

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Posted 24 September 2025 - 08:46 AM

I've had a bit to do with ammonia storage and LNG storage off and on over the years. This year I led a study to rate an existing ammonia tank to account for an expansion to increase its pump out rate by about 10 times its existing capacity. So, having brushed up on the basics recently, I feel confident to give this one a go.

 

My first guess (taking the load table on face value and with no other clues) is that the BOG is associated with the pumps from a gas liquid carrier with its cargo being unloaded into the tank. Ships have high flow pumps and the liquid runs through large diameter lines that are often many kilometres long providing plenty of exposure for heat in-leak. A sensible design case, is to account for unloading a "hot ship" that will add to the BOG load. Procedurally, what I've seen is that the shore operation won't accept a ship to unload if its cargo is hotter than some design limit. So, a sensible upper limit can be determined without too much difficulty.

 

The quantity of flash gas for this case would correlate with the "Vapour Displacement due to Tank Filling". I'm not seeing a line item for this load, so that doesn't help. This might be the line item "Replacement Volume of Ammonia Vapour to Liquid" - which is a load that doesn't make sense to me. If it's vapour displacement, then the quoted quantity reads as too small by observation.

 

The other possibility is that the load is due to "hot rundown", where the process plant has lost temperature control and its pumping across hot liquid.

 

I'd be surprised if the BOG load is associated with the tank's pump(s) being operated on full recycle (aka Holding Mode) but it's not outside the realms of possibility. Checking this would be a simple latent heat / flash calculation using the total pump power and a set of R-717 thermo tables from ASHRAE.

 

Hard to be definitive with the sketchy data offered.


Edited by astro, 24 September 2025 - 08:46 AM.


#11 latexman

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Posted 24 September 2025 - 11:05 AM

Let us review your “Heat Gain From Pump” calculation, please.

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Posted 24 September 2025 - 09:16 PM

As others said describe your system (PID) where we can see the heat gain from pump(s). Should be from a recirculation line!

The heat gain should come from the inefficiency of the pump(s) transferred to the fluid. 

 

What is the meaning of Kg/h (in the table) versus heat? should be Power / energy unit!

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