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[marthin_was]

Dear Forum,
I have question related with API 650 Tank Design.

As we already understood that API 650 limits design pressure until 2.5 psi or around 70 in H2O

My question :
1. Why breather valve set point usually around 4-6 inH2O ? What is the specific reason behind it?
2. I do understand that breather valve is used to accomodate air in or air out due to loading/unloading and thermal reason, but what is exactly the guidelines to determine the breather valve set point?
3. Let say I've been asked about the operating pressure of the tank, is it wise to say that the operating pressure equal to breather valve set point?
4. If we'd like to design new tank, let say crude oil storage for instance, how do we determine the operating pressure? in my mind we need to calculate it based on vapor pressure at operating temperature. What is your opinion?

thanks...

[falcon3051]

1. API tanks need low set points because their design pressures are low.

2. We generally adjust the set points based on the design pressures of tanks.

3. The maximum operating pressure has to be up to a maximum of 75% of set point. Above that a leakage through the vent will become excessive. Up to 50% of set point is the average value normally used.

4. I mean this API tank is submitted to an atmospheric pressure.

[djack77494]

marthin,
Because API650 limits atmospheric storage tanks to a design pressure of 2.5 psig, that does not mean that the tanks are designed for 2.5 psig. Many people seem to make that connection, but it is not true. The design pressure may be anywhere between zero and +2.5 psig.

When I have been lucky enough to identify a tank's design pressure, it is most often around 12 inches W.C. So, in the range of 0 to 12 "W.C. we must have 1) the "normal" operating pressure, 2) the conservation vent's setpoint, 3) an allowance for overpressure needed to get full relieving capacity from the conservation vent (I use 100% of the setpoint as my default), 4) the emergency vent valve's setpoint, and 5) a margin between (4) and the tank's design pressure. So that puts the conservation vent setpoint in the range of 4 to 6 "W.C., plus or minus. You can appreciate that the margins are fairly small, especially if you add a blanketing gas requirement. Being the distrusting type, I do not like to accept assurances from instrument vendors that the can measure and control to extremely small tolerances using an inexpensive mechanical device that will probably not get much attention. So I'd suggest using at least +12"W.C. as a design pressure if at all possible. Only for very large diameter tanks should the forces to reduce the design pressure become irresistable.

[Qalander (Chem)]

marthin,
Because API650 limits atmospheric storage tanks to a design pressure of 2.5 psig, that does not mean that the tanks are designed for 2.5 psig. Many people seem to make that connection, but it is not true. The design pressure may be anywhere between zero and +2.5 psig.

When I have been lucky enough to identify a tank's design pressure, it is most often around 12 inches W.C. So, in the range of 0 to 12 "W.C. we must have 1) the "normal" operating pressure, 2) the conservation vent's setpoint, 3) an allowance for overpressure needed to get full relieving capacity from the conservation vent (I use 100% of the setpoint as my default), 4) the emergency vent valve's setpoint, and 5) a margin between (4) and the tank's design pressure. So that puts the conservation vent setpoint in the range of 4 to 6 "W.C., plus or minus. You can appreciate that the margins are fairly small, especially if you add a blanketing gas requirement. Being the distrusting type, I do not like to accept assurances from instrument vendors that the can measure and control to extremely small tolerances using an inexpensive mechanical device that will probably not get much attention. So I'd suggest using at least +12"W.C. as a design pressure if at all possible. Only for very large diameter tanks should the forces to reduce the design pressure become irresistable.

Splendid explanation indeed;

May I say that API 650's limiting pressure is

indicative of 'Maximum Possible Sustainable pressure' for a Good Health, Properly designed, Adequately fabricated& duly tested storage tank and definitely 'Operating pressures witnessed are much lower; normally in the range of up to 8"~10" Water Column max.!

Excellent. Thanks for sharing.

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