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An Introduction To The Concept Of Double Jeopardy In Process Safety




An Introduction To The Concept Of Double Jeopardy In Process Safety Most Process and / or Safety engineers have to perform an analysis for the scenario or case related to the application of a safety relief device during their engineering career. In the chemical process industry, majority of the cases or scenarios for safety relief device are well defined based on experience gathered over the years for operating various types of chemical process plants including oil and gas separation plants, petroleum refineries, petrochemicals, fine chemicals, pharmaceuticals etc. Some such cases or scenarios frequently encountered in the chemical process industry are:
 
1. External Fire
2. Blocked Outlet
3. Gas Blowby
4. Control Valve fail Open
5. Hydraulic expansion due to uncontrolled heat input also called thermal expansion
6. Utilities Failure (Single or Multiple)
7. Power Failure (Partial or Complete)
8. Tube Rupture
9. Runaway Reactions
10. Check or Non-Return Valve Failure (reverse flow)
11. Vaccum generation due to Steam-Out
 
The above are some of the more common scenarios identified and studied in the chemical process industry for providing and sizing suitable safety relief devices.
 
However, the identification of a failure scenario for a given chemical process plant / equipment is something that requires experience on the part of the process or safety engineer. The experience that I am mentioning comes in the form of either engineering, constructing and operating or all of these for a similar plant / equipment.  Often lack of experience results in either overlooking a credible failure scenario, or to cook up failure scenarios that are unrealistic and cannot stand logical scrutiny.
 
To avoid the uncertainties in defining and analyzing failure scenarios many top engineering and operating companies have pre-defined the failure scenarios for a plant / unit / equipment in their engineering manuals based on their own experience in engineering, constructing and operating a chemical process plant. While this simplifies the task in terms of the time taken for the safety analysis and consequent action for a safety relief device, it is also detrimental to the engineer because he or she is not allowed to use his or her analytical skills to determine a probable failure case. 
 
Coming to the main subject of what is a double jeopardy with reference to the failure analysis of a plant / unit / equipment for providing a safety relief device. I would define it as follows:
 
The simultaneous application of two unrelated failure events for sizing or adequacy check of a safety relief device for a plant / unit / equipment is called double jeopardy. 
 
In the above definition the key word is "unrelated". What do we mean by "unrelated"? It is not easy to identify what is related and what is unrelated. This is where the experience of the engineer counts and also the practices followed by the chemical process industry based on years of operating experience for a similar process plant / unit / equipment. 
 
However, some basic unrelated scenarios can easily be identified. I  will provide some very basic examples of double jeopardy which most new process engineers can easily understand.
 
A. Consider the example of a condenser supplied with cooling water for condensing the process vapors from a distillation column. Let us say that due to partial power failure, the cooling water pump(s) supplying cooling water to the condenser fail and there is a loss of cooling water to the condenser. Let us also take note that the column has a reboiler with steam fed at a controlled rate by a steam control valve for heating the column bottom contents. Can we imagine a combination scenario that when cooling water to the condenser fails at the very same time the steam control valve to the rebolier fails in the open position causing more process vapors to be generated in the column? What would be the relief rate that should be considered for the relief valve provided on the condenser? Should it be the normal vapor from the column top going to the condenser or should you consider the excess process vapors formed due to uncontrolled reboiler heating by steam control valve failing open at the very same time? The answer is quite simple. The flow rate for the relief device will be the vapor flow rate based on the normal vapor flow rate to the condenser when the cooling water failure occurred.
 
The partial power failure causing stoppage of cooling water supply to the condenser and the failure of the reboiler steam control valve in open position at the same time is highly improbable and as such can be considered as two "unrelated" events. It is highly unlikely that when the condenser cooling water supply fails, at the very same time the reboiler steam control valve will fail open, leading to abnormally high vapor flow from the column top.
 
B. A remotely located sales gas pipeline requires planned pigging intermittently. Permanent pig launcher and pig receiver are provided for this purpose. Administrative procedures and mechanical interlocks are in place to ensure that the pig launcher and receiver drain valves remain locked closed before pigging is started. The mechanical interlock ensures that the launcher or receiver cannot be pressurized by opening the gas supply line valve to them unless the drain valves are closed. The drain valves from the launcher and receiver are connected to a covered local pit respectively. There is a degassing local vent from the pit raised to a safe location height of 3 m. Due to administrative procedure failure error as well as mechanical interlock failure, the drain valve on the pig launcher is inadvertently opened during pigging and excess vapors are released from the degassing vent. At the same time accidental ignition occurs at the vent tip due to an ignition source. To prevent thermal radiation hazards to personnel in the surrounding area near the jet fire from the vent, a radiation contour study is mandated which suggests that to mitigate thermal radiation hazard from the jet fire the vent height must be raised to 18 m.
 
How credible is this scenario? Some might argue that this is perfectly credible and the degassing vent height needs to be raised based on the radiation contour study recommendations. I would say that this is not credible and a clear case of double jeopardy and I present the following reason for this:
 
The pigging operation is intermittent. It is a planned exercise with administrative measures as well as mechanical interlocks in place to ensure that drain valves are closed prior to start of pigging operation. Simultaneous failure of administrative measures and mechanical interlocks is unrelated and hence not credible. Presence of an ignition source at the vent tip and leakage of gas from the drain valves during pigging at the same time is unrelated and hence not credible.
 
The logic for relief scenarios needs to be developed based on the aforementioned methodology. Newcomers to process safety engineering should remember that one of the most challenging tasks in process safety engineering is to analyze the credible relief scenarios and identify what is double jeopardy and reject such scenarios which involve double jeopardy.
 
Hope this gives some idea to new entrants in process safety engineering of what "double jeopardy" is all about.
 
Anticipating a lot of comments from the readers of my blog.
 
Regards,
Ankur.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 




Ankur,

Perhaps I did not explain enough. The scenario is like this:

 

Tube rupture has already happened and in order to troubleshoot the problem an operator closes the cooling water isolation valves to protect the cooling water pipelines by mistake. One can argue an operator must be knowledgeable enough to understand the consequence of closing the valves, but operators are operators not engineers. To me it appears like related events but I was wondering whats the general understanding in the industry about this.

Flash,

Ankur has explained it quite well.

However, here are a few more specific points to mull about.

 

1. Air/water cooler is probably a bad example where the service is really so benign.

 

2. Usual air compressor design pressure and temperatures do not exceed the minimum flange rating (150#) of the cooling medium side.

 

3. The thermal expansion relief is a must from vessel code requirements. Fortunately a 3/4" X 1" TSV is USUALLY adequate for most thermal expansions of this volume. To prevent an inadvertent closure (by an operator) of BOTH the water isolation valves, these valves are at least kept N.O. and more like L.O. (locked open) or C.S.O. (car sealed open). This begs the question of what was so evident by this tube rupture to lead the operator to close the valves? Standing instructions (if LO or CSO does not exist) would have been blatantly mandatory to ensure that operators are well knowledgeable before shutting off a cooling water valve. One can make a plant as safe as money will allow, but it will never make it idiot or sabotage proof. It is like switching a car off in the middle of a fast lane just because there were indications of trouble, and not coasting the car on to the hard shoulder and out of fast moving traffic to try and 'troubleshoot the problem'.

 

4. If there is indeed a tube rupture, could it compromise the integrity of the water side ? API 521 rules suggest that as long as the design pressure of the high pressure (here air) side is less than 1.3 times the design pressure (i.e hydro test pressure) of the low pressure (cooling water channel side built to vessel codes), overpressure protection due to rube rupture need not be considered. This is exactly what Ankur has been trying to tell you in his last line.

 

5. Finally, the particular example you did offer had too low a risk exposure to be considered as a good example. It would indeed be a completely different matter if the gas side was hydrocarbons at a high pressure and handling and disposal of the  tube rupture flow was a serious safety matter. With the typical air compressor intercoolers and design pressures of channel sides ( >15 barg) and air side of < 10-12 barg, if you do want to still provide tube rupture overpressure protection (NOT REQUIRED) , do go ahead and put in a bursting disk, and make sure that an operator is standing underneath the bursting vent discharge to atmosphere so that on relief (if ever) an air water drenching would awaken him to run and ask his supervisor whether he should close the cooling valves or shut (trip) the compressor. Sorry, I may sound a bit frivolous but the nervous knee-jerk reactions of an ill-trained operator is not part of a double jeopardy, The only jeopardy is himself, and he should not be allowed to come close to any running plant.

 

Hope this gives you a bit more general and specific understanding of the issues raised.

Sid,

 

 

1. Air/water cooler is probably a bad example where the service is really so benign.

 

2. Usual air compressor design pressure and temperatures do not exceed the minimum flange rating (150#) of the cooling medium side.

 

3. The thermal expansion relief is a must from vessel code requirements. Fortunately a 3/4" X 1" TSV is USUALLY adequate for most thermal expansions of this volume. To prevent an inadvertent closure (by an operator) of BOTH the water isolation valves, these valves are at least kept N.O. and more like L.O. (locked open) or C.S.O. (car sealed open). This begs the question of what was so evident by this tube rupture to lead the operator to close the valves? Standing instructions (if LO or CSO does not exist) would have been blatantly mandatory to ensure that operators are well knowledgeable before shutting off a cooling water valve. One can make a plant as safe as money will allow, but it will never make it idiot or sabotage proof. It is like switching a car off in the middle of a fast lane just because there were indications of trouble, and not coasting the car on to the hard shoulder and out of fast moving traffic to try and 'troubleshoot the problem'.

 

1. I agree air-water system is not the best example to the point I am making. My point was whether an inadverant action from an operator to a failure event that has already happend make it double jeopardy or not.

 

2. I am not sure what industry you work in or what kind of compressors you have experienced, but here I am talking about Air Compressor for an Ammonia plant where the air discharge pressures are at the order of 50barg. For such systems 300# or 600# flange ratings are needed. The cooling media is ofcourse 150#. There are 10s of 100s of similar process industry examples where large pressure difference exist between shell and tube side, a hydrocarbon being heating by 900# steam is another one.

 

3. I would bet anything if 3/4x1" relief valve size is sufficient enough to take care of any tube rupture relief rate. These 3/4"x1" relief valves are needed for hydraulic relief reasons only that pisses off enough liquid to keep the system under the design pressure or the set point of relief valve. It is only meant for that application and not cannot be used as a credit for any other process relief. Why would operator close the valve? Because he does not know the open path in the cooling water line is nothing but a relief dicharge path. What he sees is a tube rupture and in order to not to pressurize the cooling water line, he inadvertently close the valve/s. If the operators are considered well educated and smart enough then why API consider operator intervention or inadvertant closure as a credible case for relief scenario? 

 

 

4. If there is indeed a tube rupture, could it compromise the integrity of the water side ? API 521 rules suggest that as long as the design pressure of the high pressure (here air) side is less than 1.3 times the design pressure (i.e hydro test pressure) of the low pressure (cooling water channel side built to vessel codes), overpressure protection due to rube rupture need not be considered. This is exactly what Ankur has been trying to tell you in his last line.

 

 

The case as I stated above where the air pressure is at the order ot 25-50barg, this is indeed a legitimate case of tube rupture. Low pressure side cooling water system test pressures are far lower than normal operating pressure of the air process side, let alone its design pressures. And by the way, 10/13 rule is obsolete, API uses more generic terms as test pressures (usually x1.5 as hydraulic) and the design pressures.

The case as I stated above where the air pressure is at the order ot 25-50barg, this is indeed a legitimate case of tube rupture. Low pressure side cooling water system test pressures are far lower than normal operating pressure of the air process side, let alone its design pressures. And by the way, 10/13 rule is obsolete, API uses more generic terms as test pressures (usually x1.5 as hydraulic) and the design pressures.

 

Flash,

 

I agree to your point that a hydraulic expansion relief valve referred as TRV or TERV may not be enough to cater to a tube rupture case. However, there are other means to avoid a relief valve for tube rupture case for a Shell & Tube Heat Exchanger. A company standard that I had written for a middle-east O&G company has the following guidelines on how to avoid the provision of a relief valve for tube rupture case. I am quoting verbatim from the standard:

As per latest ASME Section VIII Div. 2, the hydrostatic test for any pressure vessel shall be performed at 130% of the design pressure (DP).

 

For shell & tube heat exchangers a pressure relief device on the low pressure side may not be required in a tube rupture case if the DP of the low pressure side is selected in such a manner that the corrected hydro test pressure of the low pressure side of the heat exchanger equals or exceeds the design pressure of the heat exchanger high pressure side.

 

The term corrected hydro test pressure as defined by API STD 521 is the hydro test pressure multiplied by the ratio of allowable stress at the test temperature to the allowable stress at design temperature.  It should be noted that the corrected hydro test pressure is higher than the uncorrected value.  Example of corrected hydro test pressure is provided in section 4.3.2 of API STD 521.

 

The above guideline helps in eliminating the requirement of a PSV for the low pressure side for a tube rupture case.

 

Regards,

Ankur.

Hello Flash,

 

There is really no need to ask personal questions about my exposure to various industries, unless of course you are challenging it.

 

All along up till just recently, you have only mentioned about an 'air compressor package', which to many people like us (with very limited exposure to the industry) would be wrongly presumed as an Instrument and Plant Air Compressor 'package' with air side design pressures no more than 10 to 12 barg.

 

In view of that, and since we are not mind readers, both (Ankur and myself) agreed on our initial observation that overpressure protection from tube rupture was not a valid case.

 

Now since you have backtracked and finally disclosed that the air side pressure is in the region of 40 to 50 barg, the naive observations we made are withdrawn.

 

Please read Ankur's latest comments well and do understand and digest what he is offering, which in my humble opinion is the most adequate you will ever get.

 

Regarding such a high pressure tube rupture scenario, I wonder how many would feel comfortable to even use a relief valve which may not be fast enough (extremely high velocity bubble pushing the water in front of it). Again, with my extremely limited knowledge of the industry, I would venture to say, that for this type of service i.e. air and water, a rupture disk with rupture alarm has been quite often used.

With air/water systems disposal of the relief is normally directed to 'atmosphere at a safe location'. This will provide a rapid response without too much adverse consequences of handling the relief discharge i.e. water and/or air in a closed HC flare system with attendant freezing and etc. problems.

 

Regarding the original matter of double jeopardy, I cannot thank you enough for leading us up the path of wrong assumptions i.e. low pressure air. As mentioned many times before, inadvertent closure of cooling medium isolation by an untrained operator is not a double jeopardy. Single jeopardies e.g. tube rupture are usually handled by a) having only trained people and  B) strictly following 'standing instructions. If the operating company feels that he cannot trust his operators to attend to such occurrences in a trained fashion, the designer of this plant should have been told that all valves on this critical service will be locked open (L.O.). Not even C.S.O. where such an untrained could without consulting his superiors could break the seal and turn the valve shut. As said before, no amount of checks and balances can make a plant idiot or sabotage proof. At that rate all pilots flying a plane need to be breathalysed and checked against impending myocardial infarction every time before taking over the controls.

 

Nearly all of the modern day process plant accidents are attributed to inadequate or careless maintenance procedures where the deficiency existed even before a single process upset (single jeopardy) occurred. Two notable examples are Piper Alpha and Bhopal.

 

Finally I apologise to bring you to bear my limited experience of the industry. This is because I have only been involved in Oil and Gas work for the last 43 years, where gas pressures have only ranged anywhere from sub-atmospheric to occasionally the dense phase i.e. >800 barg.

 

I will now turn my thoughts to the famous serenity prayer:

"God grant me the Serenity to accept the things I cannot change,

Courage to change the things I can.

And Wisdom to know the diiference."

Sid,

 

Air Compressor Package is a general term used for any air compressor application and this term does not categorically belong to plant or instrument air compressor package only. I would say it was just a wrong assumption on one's own part and I should not be blamed for misleading anyone on that or backtracking to what I said before.

 

Secondly, when I say there is a legitimate case of tube rupture, instead of accepting it on face value, why it is being questioned whether there is really a tube rupture scenario or not and how it should be mitigated. How does it matter what kind of air compressor package that is. However some good points were presented by Ankur that I appreciate.

 

Thirdly, the topic here is double jeopardy for which I only presented an example, not a perfect one though. I understand the tube rupture thing quite well and it was not my intention to discuss that. I was more interested in knowing in general term whether erroneous manual intervention, to any failure event that has already occurred, is double jeopardy or not and how people in the industry view at it. It had nothing to do with tube rupture. I got my answer through my discussion with Ankur. End of Story.

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Purnesh Meshram
Oct 14 2013 08:08 PM

Dear Ankur

 

Your article is really a great help.

I was just going through the API 521-2007 edition and clause 4.2.2 Latent failures, which quotes " it is not double jeopardy to assume the absence of beneficial instrumentation response in combination with an unrelated overpressure cause."

Could you please explain this statement considering example A as mention in your article.

 

Regards

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dnrakesh2006
Oct 22 2013 10:44 PM

Hello Ankur,

 

Recently when we were doing a safety integrity study for a project we come across a situation ,

 

when doing the adequacy check of a relief valve on suction drum of a centrifugal compressor we come across a case as mentioned below needs to be consider or not.

 

Compressor Recycle valve failure ( FO) needs to be consider to protect the suction vessel from getting over pressure, when the compressor operates at its max design pressure.

 

or can we consider failure of recycle valve during compressor operating at maximum design pressure ( which is not a normal case) as a double jeopardy.

 

 

Regards

Rakesh

Rakesh,

 

For a compressor suction drum relief valve the following applies:

 

1. Logically set pressure for an existing suction drum cannot exceed the design pressure of the suction drum. Hence there is no debate for an existing system unless you are planning to replace the suction drum itself. For a new system the suction drum design pressure would be based on the upstream or source (e,g. production separators) high pressure trip or relief valve setting minus the pressure drop in the piping up to the suction drum.

 

2. The relief valve capacity for a suction drum will be based on the "Fail Open" condition of the recycle valve.

 

Hope this clears your doubt.

 

Regards,

Ankur.

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dnrakesh2006
Oct 23 2013 04:35 AM

Thanks Ankur for the nice article and clarifying the doubt.

 

Regards

Rakesh

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sobers_2002
Nov 25 2013 08:14 AM

Hi Ankur,

 

Just had a question regarding the TAHH, PDAHH, PDALL protection that is present here. Would these all qualify as a 'single' unit of protection?

 

To explain it more clearly, say for eg you have a vessel which has PSHH and LSLL. In your opinion, would a simultaneous failure of these two (i.e. failure of the PSD PLC / system) be single jeopardy or double jeopardy?

 

In a previous SIL session we have had a bit of a debate on this. While both the loops may have independent sensors, wires and I/O cards - they connect to the same system and failure of logic solver (although SIL3 or more rated) being considered here can be an interesting thing to discuss.

 

Thanks,

Saurabh

Hi Ankur,

 

Just had a question regarding the TAHH, PDAHH, PDALL protection that is present here. Would these all qualify as a 'single' unit of protection?

 

To explain it more clearly, say for eg you have a vessel which has PSHH and LSLL. In your opinion, would a simultaneous failure of these two (i.e. failure of the PSD PLC / system) be single jeopardy or double jeopardy?

 

In a previous SIL session we have had a bit of a debate on this. While both the loops may have independent sensors, wires and I/O cards - they connect to the same system and failure of logic solver (although SIL3 or more rated) being considered here can be an interesting thing to discuss.

 

Thanks,

Saurabh

Hi Saurabh,

 

I will attempt to answer your question as I understand it, so please excuse me if I get it wrong.

 

All independent sensors, however independent they may be, will end up somewhere at  a logic solver or a PLC or something similar. This could also be a high SIL rated ESD panel or similar with parallel redundancies built into these systems, like parallel I/O cards, UPS facility and etc. depending on the safety criticality of the information supplied to them by the independent hardwired sensors.

 

Now comes the question or rather the term 'Common Mode Failure'. This is something to bear in mind always.

A Common Mode Failure could be anything from a dropped object destroying the ESD panels, an earthquake or fire destroying the hardwired sensor pathway (at the worst) to just a local accident destroying the sensors locally.

There is very little one can do about such scenarios.

They could be single jeopardies resulting in multiple jeopardies.

These are nowadays called 'known unknowns'.

The Fukushima disaster is one such example.

It can be an act of God or even a local accident due to somebody not taking due care, which again is also an 'Act of God' !!

 

Now, your example and the principle of double jeopardy and its interpretation and application as the subject under discussion.

 

I have not quite grasped the relation between a PSHH and a LSLL for failure at the same time, but I may be excused to assume the following:

 

The vessel PSHH trip  will shut all pressure sources to this vessel and an LSLL  will shut (at the minimum) the liquid outlet to prevent gas blowby to a lower pressure vessel downstream via the level control valve.

 

I may be excused to assume that one of the classical example of bringing such devices into one double jeopardy discussion is the gas blowby scenario and eventual sizing of the relief capacity of the lower design pressure d/s vessel.

 

The rules for the d/s relief sizing case are very well established.

 

1. Assume highest u/s pressure (PSHH set point). Yes you could put 99.9999% of the PSHH set point as the maximum u/s pressure, but is that worth it?

 

2. Assume level control valve wide open ( valve Cv) to calculate the max flashing liquid flow with max driving force (as in 1 above)  to d/s. Yes you could use 99.99% open, but do you really know how much to assume?

 

 

Our application of double jeopardy as a Process Engineer is to identify the overpressure case load and determine firstly whether the two matters are related.

 

However for purposes of our overpressure load calculation can you guarantee that the vessel for some reason is not working very close to the PSHH set point?

 

So the answer to you is to assume the worst upstream pressure AND fully open control valve.

 

The answer to you is since they are two independent unrelated systems, their simultaneous failure is very much double jeopardy. (INTERPRETATION).

 

However if the actual process conditions at that time of failure are very close to the HH and LL value, which you do not know exactly, you will not use an intermediate or arbitrary value for calculating the d/s overpressure relief load. (APPLICATION).

 

The process Engineers position in a SIL session will be that ' Yes, my vessel is fully protected by the overpressure load calculation but I do not know how to prevent all possible  'Common Mode Failures'.

 

Please feel free to revert if I did not appreciate the background you had in mind.

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sobers_2002
Nov 29 2013 04:58 AM

Hi Siddhartha,

 

Thanks a lot for your detailed insight on the subject!! Much appreciated.

 

Your assumption about the case scenario is absolutely correct. Also, it is as you have suggested that PSHH should be considered for the blowby case.

 

The question, however, arose when there was another opinion that the pressure to be considered should be that of PSV (which is set higher than PSHH and corresponds to the vessel design pressure).

 

This scenario is the reason I was asking whether failure of PSHH and LSHH is something to be considered as 'Common Mode Failure' and whether it is acceptable / more reasonable to consider PSV set pressure as the pressure for blowby calculations?

 

Thanks again for your valuable opinion.

 

Regards,

Saurabh

Hi Siddhartha,

 

Thanks a lot for your detailed insight on the subject!! Much appreciated.

 

Your assumption about the case scenario is absolutely correct. Also, it is as you have suggested that PSHH should be considered for the blowby case.

 

The question, however, arose when there was another opinion that the pressure to be considered should be that of PSV (which is set higher than PSHH and corresponds to the vessel design pressure).

 

This scenario is the reason I was asking whether failure of PSHH and LSHH is something to be considered as 'Common Mode Failure' and whether it is acceptable / more reasonable to consider PSV set pressure as the pressure for blowby calculations?

 

Thanks again for your valuable opinion.

 

Regards,

Saurabh

Hi Saurabh,

 

It was a great relief (no pun intended !) to be assured that my assumption as to the background to your query was directionally right. Thanks.

 

Now a slightly niggling question which can remain in some people's mind is why not u/s PSV set pressure for highest u/s pressure assumption.

Quite right, to satisfy a few pedantic colleagues.

The u/s PSV set pressure (design pressure of u/s vessel) is certainly higher than PSHH set point.

Then again, if the u/s vessel started relieving, should we not consider the PSV accumulated pressure ( with 10% accumulation) ? !!!!

There is no end to what one can assume to come to a gold or platinum plated calculation of d/s relief load, however unrealistic it might be.

For determining the max. u/s pressure we have a long pathway in the pressure headroom. Operating pressure < PSHH set pressure < PSV set pressure < Accumulated pressure.

The PSHH set pressure is the first recognisable milestone in this road, and that should be enough.

However the pedantic amongst us can always 'test' how conservative they can go to satisfy their quest of absolute maximum u/s pressure.

For them, the academic way out is to use the d/s relief valve selected orifice designation and find if the 'rated' flow is more or very close to  the worst possible flow calculated using  their chosen max. u/s gas blowby pressure.

If it is more, no problem.

However if it is very close, the pedantics amongst us may may decide to have a re-look at the robustness of the u/s pressure assumption and tweak it higher.

But they should now consider that this is exactly where the principle of double jeopardy comes into play!

Using such pedantic approach of needless oversizing has also got its downsides. One might end up in oversizing the d/s PSV (undesirable due to valve chatter and damage if that pushes the selected orifice designation to the next higher one, in cases where the gas blowby load WAS the d/s PSV governing case).

But again, if with all the unrealistic u/s max. pressure assumption, if the load calculated still does not govern or change the basis of the sizing (orifice designation) of the d/s PSV, who cares, one might say?.......

 

To sum it once again, we wanted a milestone value in the first maximum u/s pressure without assuming an arbitrary (operating pressure) value.

The PSHH set point (or very very close to it)  satisfies that. Anything else is double, triple or quadruple jeopardy because the PSHH has now really failed as well and we have to take recourse of the next higher pressure milestone!

 

Summarising:

  • LSLL failure. Could have been an unrevealed failure of all you know, and has not been revealed as not working a long time back.
  • Pressure at or very near to PSHH set point (for lack of a better choice as the first admissible fixed value for input, one can use 99.9% recurring of that value if that makes one feel any better!).
  • Level control valve fully open (it is just a control valve). Use max Cv since you cannot have a valve more open than the valve's maximum Cv ( I mean the manufacturer's fully open BODY Cv). This is the primary failure.

Please do feel free to counter my comment if you do not agree.

Kind regards.

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sobers_2002
Nov 29 2013 08:31 AM

Hi Siddhartha,

 

Very comprehensive analysis - thanks a lot!!

 

Regards,
Saurabh

Gentlemen,

 

I have another case to submit for which the status of "double jeopardy" is not well established.

 

The case is the blow-by from an HP separator towards a Produced Water vessel, itself connected to an atmospheric storage tank on an offshore platform.

 

The scenario being considered is the following:

- LCV on HP separator fail is the initiating event

- Gas blow-by is the consequence

- The "first Jeopardy" is the case the SDV between the separator and the PWV fail to close

- The pressure in the PWV will buit-up quite quickly

- The PAHH in the PWV used for degassing is 2 barg but its design pressure is 10 barg

- The final water storage tank can cope with a blow-by from the PWV at 2 barg but not at 10 barg

- When the pressure built-up in the PWV to 10 barg it may flushed the liquid out and produce a new blow-by case from the PWV to the storage tank. There is a LCV but this is just a control device which may not react quick enough.

- There is a LSLL and a SDV between the PVW and the storage tank

 

Then my questions:

1/ Should the failure of this second SDV be considered a "double jeopardy"? The two events are not really "not related". They are part of the same "credible" scenario!

 

2/ Assuming the second SDV works, this is only an instrumented barrier. It could be considered a secondary barrier for protection against the blow-by scenario. Would such design comply with API RP 14C "rule" which requires the primary and secondary barriers to be of different types (usually one is instrumented and the other one of mechanical type, e.g. PSV)

 

Regards,

 

Vincent

Gas metering skid is equipped with two pressure regulators configured in active monitor and two safety relief valve with LO/LC. Client is aksing to have slam shut off valve/safety shut off valve as per ASME B31.8 for high pressure distribution and citing the reason that both regulators might fail which will create high pressure on downstream segment. I think this is the case of double jeopardy. Please share your views.

Dear Sirs,

 

I have a case regarding to two causes. Please advise your opinion:

 

Description:

1. Subsea well is provided with MV & WV; however, it is possible only single isolation during well preservation (Operator have  to open/close each of valve step by step). Therefore, well can be NOT isolated by human error. 

2. Well is connected with FPSO with a riser. There's check valve to prevent back flow from riser to lower rating piping (see sketch).

3. A debate whether if overpressure scenario is possible for lower rating piping (green) or not.

 

 

Question:

1. Is that double jeopardy if we consider human error and check valve failure in this case?

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