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[sukubutsu]

Hey Ladies/ Gents,

I was wondering if I could trouble the experts for some advice / inputs. I'm currently working on specifying the relieving capacity for some PVSVs off of an inert gas header. The header feeds / vents inert gas to:
- 2 nos Slop tank (Volume: 2362 m3, pump in/out rate:500 / 500 m3/hr)
- 12 nos Crude Oil Tanks (Volume ranges fr 7736 m3 - 27200 m3, Pump in/out rate: 950 / 6000 m3/hr)
- 6 Void Tanks (Volume ranges from 2631 m3 - 15200 m3)

Each of the void tanks has it's own PVSV that will vent only for thermal inbreathing/ outbreathing (Since there isn't anything being pumped in or out). I have no problem calculating the relief capacity for those PVSVs as per API2000. I'm a little stumped however with trying to figure out how to specify the capacity of PVSV on the inert gas header. We have 3 separate headers for the inert gas. And I believe they serve different purposes:

1. One for fully purging or venting the tanks (no PVSVs) and will be normally closed during normal operation
2. One for venting; PV Header (PVSV on the header)
3. One for Inerting/ pressurizing, Inert Gas Header (PVSV on the header)

Both these PVSVs will release to a low pressure flare stack

Now, my preliminary basis is this:
1. For the PVSV connected to the PV header, I will only take into account the pump in rate, thermal outbreathing (for crude oil tanks & slop tanks). Is this a right assumption?
2. For the PVSV connected to the Inert Gas Header, I will only take into account the pump out rate, thermal inbreathing (for crude oil tanks & slop tanks). Is this a right assumption?

Now here is the big issue for me: Should I, when specifying the volume of the tanks, add ALL the volumes for ALL the tanks connected to the header to find out the thermal inbreathing / outbreathing rate? And for the pump in and pump out rate, should I assume pump in / out operation for only one tank at a time (worst case being the largest tank) or ALL the tanks at a time?

Side Information: Inert Gas rate is 8000Nm3/h, Pressure regulating valve upstream will Fail Close.

I've included the P&ID for reference.I hope I've given enough information or that my information is clear enough. I would really appreciate some advice on this. Thanks in advance

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[kkala]

Below is a non expert opinion, subject to criticism.

A. Post & attached PID are interpreted as floows.
-Purge / vent header (No 9004) is the header (1) above, with valves along its length, normally closed (noted as NC). Max flow rate through it 8000 Nm3/h.
-PV header (No 9003) is the header (2) above, serving as vent from all (non void) tanks. There are no valves along it, but there are valves / blinds at the branch lines to tanks.
- Inert gas header (No 9002) is the header (3) above, serving to introduce N2 (nitrogen inert gas) to tanks, while PIC-9006 maintains constant supply pressure. Max flow rate 8000 Nm3/h.
Due to possible inadverted valve manipulation, all N2 supply (corresponding to 8000 Nm3/h + thermal effect, if any) can sometime pass from PVSV of either header (2), or header (3). This determines capacity of PVSV; when valves are properly opened / closed, tendency for vacuum or overpressure is balanced by N2 supply. But probably you want to check the adequacy of N2 supply (8000 Nm3/h max).
B. Assumptions 1 & 2 (concerning pumping and breathing rates) seem reasonable, even though a safety factor would be applicable, if it concerned nitrogen blanketing. I do not have experience on this field, but you can have a look at "Tank blanketing and venting" forum of Cheresources.
C. If the case of filling all tanks simultaneously, or taking suction from all tanks simultaneously, is a credible contingency, then all of them should be taken into account for the relieving capacity of PVSVs. Actually this condition shall determine max inhaling / exhaling capacity required, thus corresponding capacity of PVSVs.
Note: Points on PID probably needing clarification.
α. few branch pipes on inert gas header (3)
β. several branch pipes from header (3) are connected to header (2) in addition to tanks. E.g. 9404 & 9406. Are these used as vents too?
γ. A PSVV has inbreathing and outbreathing, so headers (2) & (3) can have flow of oppasite direction to normal.

[kkala]

Following notes on the subject may be useful.
-The thread was in the forum of "Industrial Professionals" when I issued a reply yesterday, now it has been shifted to "Tank blanketing and venting" forum of Cheresources.
-In my previous reply "header (1) above", "header (2) above", "header (3) above" referred to a green box made by me by shorting sukubutsu's query, as clearly stated there, in order to facilitate my answers (and clarify the specific points answered). This green box was erased (edited by whom?), yet it is still clear which header is which (neglect the "above").

[kkala]

Following additional notes (collected at work place) can be of help.

1. Inert gas leakages to atmosphere through closed PVSVs, tank holes, not tight joints, etc, are negligible compared to inert gas required during pumping the liquid out of the tank. So safety margin (mentioned in kkala’s post of 13 Jun 11) is not necessary, when inert gas flow rate is calculated for blanketing, as long as there are no free vents to atmosphere.
2. For fire protection purposes, tanks shall have either weak roof-to-shell attachment or emergency vent(s) sized for fire per API 2000.
In the weak roof-to-shell attachment case, no emergency venting is mandatory (though we apply both in some cases).
In case of no weak roof-to-shell attachment, emergency venting for fire is not expected to be covered by existing PVSVs.