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Cryogenic Distillation
Started by normal2500, Oct 24 2006 03:20 PM
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#1
Posted 24 October 2006 - 03:20 PM
hi guys
i am doing research on design of cryogenic distillatin
no nearly two week i search about it, but i could not find that much of information
do u know about it and can u help me>
i am doing research on design of cryogenic distillatin
no nearly two week i search about it, but i could not find that much of information
do u know about it and can u help me>
#2
Posted 24 October 2006 - 04:42 PM
Do a "Google" search on "Cryogenic Distillation". I got 35,000 hits.
If after looking at some of these you have some specific quesitons, just post them.
If after looking at some of these you have some specific quesitons, just post them.
#3
Posted 24 October 2006 - 05:17 PM
QUOTE (pleckner @ Oct 24 2006, 10:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Do a "Google" search on "Cryogenic Distillation". I got 35,000 hits.
If after looking at some of these you have some specific quesitons, just post them.
If after looking at some of these you have some specific quesitons, just post them.
i did that
but the problem i wana to compare between the design of cryogenic distillation and the normal distillation and how far the technology going in cryogenic distillation
#4
Posted 24 October 2006 - 08:02 PM
Normal:
Believe me, when you dissasemble a cryogenic distillation tower - such as an air separation column - you will not find any difference between the internals you find there and the internals of a conventional distillation column. And you shouldn't.
Do you believe that there is something magical and mysterious behind the distillation of cryogenic liquids as compared to conventional liquids such as methanol or ethanol? I can assure that there isn't. I know, because I have dissasembled several cryogenic distillation towers and re-assembled them back together with nothing to report or to get excited about. The units had to be taken apart because of contamination with chemicals and adsorbent dust. Once I put them back together, they worked better than before.
I don't understand why you would expect the technology to be any different. Liquids behave like liquids are expected to behave. The Brown-Souders equation is used to design the spacing between trays and the weir heights and downcomer residence times are similar to those of other liquids. Perhaps you don't know how cryogenic distillation is done because you also don't know how conventional distillation is done. Am I correct?
The only major mechanical difference in the cryogenic process is the maintenance of the low internal temperature. For that, you employ a Cold Box - nothing more than a housing around the column, filled with perlite or other insulation. There are techniques used to save on preserving the low temperature and reduce as much piping as possible. That's why you'll find a lot of internal reboilers/condensers designed into the units. But they operate just as conventional ones - no different.
Perhaps you have specific areas of interest or of lack of knowledge that you don't understand. If so, state those specifics and perhaps we can help. If you are still interested in knowing more about cryogenic distillation, than follow the advice given by Phil Leckner.
Believe me, when you dissasemble a cryogenic distillation tower - such as an air separation column - you will not find any difference between the internals you find there and the internals of a conventional distillation column. And you shouldn't.
Do you believe that there is something magical and mysterious behind the distillation of cryogenic liquids as compared to conventional liquids such as methanol or ethanol? I can assure that there isn't. I know, because I have dissasembled several cryogenic distillation towers and re-assembled them back together with nothing to report or to get excited about. The units had to be taken apart because of contamination with chemicals and adsorbent dust. Once I put them back together, they worked better than before.
I don't understand why you would expect the technology to be any different. Liquids behave like liquids are expected to behave. The Brown-Souders equation is used to design the spacing between trays and the weir heights and downcomer residence times are similar to those of other liquids. Perhaps you don't know how cryogenic distillation is done because you also don't know how conventional distillation is done. Am I correct?
The only major mechanical difference in the cryogenic process is the maintenance of the low internal temperature. For that, you employ a Cold Box - nothing more than a housing around the column, filled with perlite or other insulation. There are techniques used to save on preserving the low temperature and reduce as much piping as possible. That's why you'll find a lot of internal reboilers/condensers designed into the units. But they operate just as conventional ones - no different.
Perhaps you have specific areas of interest or of lack of knowledge that you don't understand. If so, state those specifics and perhaps we can help. If you are still interested in knowing more about cryogenic distillation, than follow the advice given by Phil Leckner.
#5
Guest_David M_*
Posted 22 July 2008 - 10:06 AM
Hi everybody!
I am facing the design of a cryogenic distillation tower to extract Argon from a gas mixture of:
- 10% Argon
- 70% Nitrogen
- 20% Helium
I am still looking for some preliminary info, like for instance a sketch of some existing columns and basic info regarding how to design it.
Can anybody help me out?
Which is the best starting point?
Is possible to design it W/O running simulations to check the behavior?
Thank you very much!
Best
David
I am facing the design of a cryogenic distillation tower to extract Argon from a gas mixture of:
- 10% Argon
- 70% Nitrogen
- 20% Helium
I am still looking for some preliminary info, like for instance a sketch of some existing columns and basic info regarding how to design it.
Can anybody help me out?
Which is the best starting point?
Is possible to design it W/O running simulations to check the behavior?
Thank you very much!
Best
David
#6
Posted 05 October 2010 - 11:20 AM
Do a "Google" search on "Cryogenic Distillation". I got 35,000 hits.
If after looking at some of these you have some specific quesitons, just post them.
Can you give me some picture of Tray for cryogenic distillation collumn?? If so, please send to fahroer_rozi_d@yahoo.com
I really need the picture to distinguish Tray for common distillation and Cryogenic distillation
#7
Posted 05 October 2010 - 11:21 AM
Can you give me some picture of Tray for cryogenic distillation collumn?? If so, please send to fahroer_rozi_d@yahoo.com
I really need the picture to distinguish Tray for common distillation and Cryogenic distillation
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I really need the picture to distinguish Tray for common distillation and Cryogenic distillation
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