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#5255 Uploading Ms Excel Spreadsheets

Posted by Chris Haslego on 18 March 2006 - 05:08 PM

I've noticed that many of you are wanting to share Microsoft Excel files. You can upload them into your messages just like other files. This should simplify the process of sharing the spreadsheets rather than having to email them to one another.


#82070 How About An "in Development" Section In Downloads?

Posted by ankur2061 on 19 January 2014 - 01:14 PM

Sharing your work (calculations / excel workbooks) can be done only with an open heart and a mind free of suspicion.

 

It is outright hilarious when people claim that the calculation they have created in the form of an excel workbook is their original work. Most of the engineering calculations that we do today have their roots in the physical laws, principles, formuals, and equations developed by pioneers and researchers in the field of engineering and science long before many of us had even understood what engineering calculations are.

 

People who are developing calculations / excel workbooks are only organizing and representing the work in a proper sequence and in a manner which is easy to understand and present. Yes, it takes time and effort to do this, and those who have undertaken this task need to be appreciated.

 

I have never endorsed spoon feeding to young engineers because it allows them to think that there is an easy way out for everything. Many of the blog entries in my blog are related to engineering calculations where I have exhorted the engineers to prepare excel workbooks based on the calculation steps mentioned. For each and everyone of these blog entries related to chemical engineering calculations, I have developed an excel calculation workbook, which I have not shared for the very same aforementioned reason.

 

However, I do want to make a public pledge today. When my eyesight starts betraying me and my hands are no longer able to type on the keyboard of a computer, I would like to donate my entire set of chemical engineering calculation workbooks to "Cheresources" for Chris Haslego to use in a manner he deems fit for the good of the chemical engineering community.

 

Regards,

Ankur




#118338 Pressure Relief Valve Accumulation Pressure

Posted by Art Montemayor on 08 May 2019 - 01:32 PM

surendra:

 

I highly recommend that you take Latexman's concise and terse response as an important one.  His comment is meant to be taken in jest.  He is precisely correct in his statement and I only take this time to add to his valuable advice.

 

It is very important that you learn and apply what his statement and recommendation implies.  I am certain that he is assuming that you have invested as much time and effort in the application of safety relief devices as he has, and for that reason I am attaching a document I prepared some time back in replying to a student that had problems with the same topic.  You rightfully show concern for the accumulated pressure realized in a pressure relief valve and you correctly give importance to the MAWP.   However, I believe you lack the knowledge of  how the MAWP is calculated and under what correct basic data and assumed conditions.  You also seem to not be aware of the usual and normal way a pressure vessel is subjected to a required hydrostatic test.  A hydro is far in excess of the MAWP.  So, can this be???

 

Experienced and knowledgeable engineers, such as Latexman, don't have disdain for the value of a pressure vessel's MAWP.  On the contrary.  They are aware and mindful of the precise conditions under which it is calculated, its specific intentions, and how it applies to engineering design and operations.  Please read the attached and you will further appreciate what he has stated.

 

Attached File  MAWP as Applied to PSVs.docx   107.56KB   61 downloads




#88971 Chemical Engineering Plant Cost Index (Cepci)

Posted by breizh on 25 August 2014 - 05:59 PM

Hi,

 

Year 2013 : 567.3

Final April 2014 : 573.6

Preliminary May 2014 : 574.4

 

Breizh




#60483 How About An "in Development" Section In Downloads?

Posted by Chris Haslego on 24 May 2012 - 08:56 AM

I have many, many spreadsheets from visitors that have tons of great information in them, but aren't necessarily ready to be opened and used as they exist. Some may need just a little work, some may need a lot of work. Many of them are well referenced in terms of methodology being used.

However, some people may be working on similar projects and may find these helpful. My hope would be to release them in the Downloads section (clearly marked as "Development Items") and to see if the community can work together to turn these into polished projects.

I thought I'd start by collecting initial feedback on the idea. Let me know what you think. These titles would only be visible to registered members of the community.

Thanks,


#117665 A Few Storage Tank Related Questions

Posted by Art Montemayor on 14 March 2019 - 01:37 PM

Trainee:

 

Your query is like questions raised by lay persons or journalists trying to inquire about technical process operations and not like an engineer would look at a process problem or application.  I am forced to revert back to engineering basics in order to address your questions:

  • I don’t care what the “other websites” state about the application of storage tanks.  The statements are totally out of line.  The statements don’t take into consideration the actual fluid stored and the conditions it is stored under.  These are the first and most important basic data you have to know - and you fail to state that.
  • The next important basic data is the size of the storage requirement.  What is the storage capacity in question?  You also fail to identify that.
  • The best engineering advice I can give you is to never, never ever generalize when you deal with an engineering query.  Be specific and identify all the required basic data before answering or commenting on a process operation.  Your failure to do this is why you are so perplexed about applying storage tanks.  Without specific basic data you will always be wandering around without fully understanding the application.
  • A fluid’s vapor pressure at the required storage pressure is often what determines the type of storage tank best suited for the application.  LPG and other liquefied petroleum gases are stored in pressure vessels (such as spheres or bullets) when their vapor pressures are within the range of conventional vessel design pressures above the fluid’s vapor pressure at ambient temperatures and the application suits ambient storage temperatures.  If the quantity is large and the need and economics suit the application, then cryogenic temperature storage at relative ambient pressures may be attractive.  Practical sense economics always reigns in engineering applications - not generalizations.
  • Your reasoning for using a floating roof tank is wrong.  If the fluid has a high vapor pressure, a pressure vessel may be called for.  Use your common sense: an API storage tank with a floating roof is limited to relatively low pressures.  The floating roof is to compensate for varying liquid levels that may cause a partial vacuum and allows for vapor space expansion - as well as for large inventories.  The nature and properties of the stored fluid is what determines the type of floating roof - as well as the economics involved.
  • Your nitrogen blanketing sketch is overly simplified and doesn’t give a full definition of how the system works.  That’s why you are confused and don’t understand it.  Download the workbook on nitrogen blanketing in our website and study the explanations I give for nitrogen blanketing and how it is controlled and operated.
  • Again a common sense item: when you pump fluid out of storage tank that is sealed or devoid of a source of positive pressure, you will generate a partial vacuum in your tank’s vapor space.  Everyone should know and understand this.  You cannot tolerate a partial vacuum in a low pressure storage tank without the danger of collapsing the entire structure - and its contents!  That’s why you apply a conservation vent - a relief device that opens to relieve a buildup of internal pressure and also opens to allow atmospheric air to enter the tank when there is a partial vacuum produced inside the tank.
  • A nitrogen blanket works as explained in my workbook: nitrogen is maintained in the tank’s vapor space with a slight pressure (5-15 inches of water column is normal) by a control valve that feeds the tank’s vapor space on pressure demand (as when the fluid is being pumped out).  When the tank receives more stored fluid subsequently, the vapor space pressure increases (since the amount of nitrogen previously introduced is compressed by the rising liquid level).  The conservation vent vents excess nitrogen to the atmosphere to prevent an over pressure.  The nitrogen control valve should fail closed and if it fails to open on the next fluid pump-out, the conservation vent opens to the atmosphere to allow air to break a partial vacuum in the tank.
  • Storage tanks are positively grounded to prevent the accumulation of static electricity - especially when storing flammable fluids.  Explanations for static electricity can be found in your electrical engineering courses or texts - or in the internet.  Wikipedia states: “A static electric charge can be created whenever two surfaces contact and separate, and at least one of the surfaces has a high resistance to electric current (and is therefore an electrical insulator)”.  You should have covered this in your engineering curriculum.

This post is already very long and I hope you have the answers you seek.  If you don’t have basic engineering courses or training, please state so and we can recommend study material.




#117418 Chemical Engineering Plant Cost Index Cepci Of 2016 And 2017 ?

Posted by breizh on 19 February 2019 - 04:03 AM

hi ,

October 2018 :616.3  (final)

November 2018 : 616.4  (preliminary)

 

good luck

Breizh

Attached Files




#116960 Positive Displacement Pump Curve

Posted by Art Montemayor on 01 January 2019 - 03:46 PM

Van8888:

 

Just as Latex and Fallah state: Although you don't tell us the TYPE of positive displacement pump you are using (a piston pump will have essentially no pump curve; it's displacement is constant if both valves work), the pump's volumetric efficiency will increase as the viscosity increases.  Rotary type pumps depend on internal clearances (pistons don't) in delivering a specified liquid volume per time.  As the viscosity increases, the pump increases its effectiveness due to the thicker fluid.  So, a rotary pump's pump curve will be different for different viscosities.

 

ON A MORE PERSONAL NOTE:

Happy New Year to all our members and a special salute and recognition to our good Breton friend, BREIZH, who has announced his retirement.  I hope he persists in joining us here on the Forums and I like his latest personal photo  ........ although, like me, he seems to be losing a few hairs.

 

My personal well wishes go out to all our members and contributors.  May this year be one of happiness and prosperity to all.




#115602 Heat Exchangers, Zone Analysis In Excel With Prode

Posted by PaoloPemi on 20 August 2018 - 09:53 AM

there was a Excel page showing how to calculate properties in different zones I attach a copy, you can examine the VBA code for details,

 

Prode Properties can export flows or you can calculate from (molar) phase fractions and molar weights of different fractions, see this VBA example

 

PF = StrLf(Stream)
If (PF > 0.000001) Then ' Liquid present ?
            mw = StrLMw(Stream)
            Cells(rpt + I, 6) = W * PF * mw / mwm ' Liquid Flow

 

and so on...

 

you can calculate mixture properties (density, viscosity, thermal conductivity etc.) in different ways,

Prode Properties exposes methods StrGD, StrLD etc. (there are about 300 methods...)

in this Excel VBA example the procedure calculates vapor properties as

 

            Cells(rpt + I, 14) = StrGMw(Stream)
            Cells(rpt + I, 15) = StrGCp(Stream)
            Cells(rpt + I, 16) = StrZv(Stream)
            Cells(rpt + I, 17) = StrGD(Stream)
            Cells(rpt + I, 18) = StrGV(Stream)
            Cells(rpt + I, 19) = StrGC(Stream)

 

of course different variants are possible (many methods available),

 

you can solve many different Flash Operations with Prode Properties, in this case (heat exchanger simulation) the procedure solves a operation with specified P and H but different alternatives are possible

 

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Attached File  htcprops.xls   176.5KB   36 downloads




#111399 Steam To Carbon Ratio

Posted by Flc on 03 October 2017 - 03:38 PM

Hi,

 

In syngas plants (ammonia, hydrogen, methanol, etc.) the concepts are different. Steam to dry gas ratio (usually abbreviated as S/DG) is the ratio between molar flow rate of steam and gas, so it's steam flow rate divided dry gas flow rate. This ratio is use frequently at the inlet of shift reactors (HTS, high temperature shift, and LTS, low temperature shift), in particular to evaluate of the flow fed has enough steam as to prevent iron carbide formation in iron-based HTS catalysts.

 

Steam to carbon ratio is usually used to evaluate the amount of steam at the inlet of a steam reformer, and is the ratio between the steam and the carbon, in mole basis. Consider that C2H6 counts as 2 carbons, C3H8 as 3, etc. E.g. if you have a stream consisting of a mixture of 3000 mol/h of steam, 500 mol/h of C1, and 200 mol/h of C2, ethane counts twice as much (2 carbon moles), so in this case it would be 3000/(500+200*2) = 3.33. In this same case, the S/DG ratio would be simply (3000/700) = 4.28 (though in practice no HTS reactor operates with such a high value).

 

Theoretically speaking, in the case of a stream consisting of just steam and methane, S/DG and S/C ratio would be the same. In the case of a stream with only steam, methane, and some nitrogen, the S/DG ratio would differ from the S/C ratio. There are some other ratios used, such as the S/C ratio just for hydrocarbons (so you don't consider inorganic compounds such as CO or CO2) or the S/HCC ratio (you just consider HC C2+).

 

Hope it was clear enough :)

 

Best regards




#107463 Design Of Distillation Column

Posted by Art Montemayor on 23 January 2017 - 11:57 AM

Mohammed:

 

To learn how to process design a distillation column you can do a variety of things:

 

  • You can take a first year chemical engineering Unit Operations course in a university that offers such a study;
  • You can purchase and study a book on the subject;  some books are:
    Douglas, James M., Conceptual Design of Chemical Processes, McGraw-Hill, 1988, pp. 453-457.
    Kister, Henry Z., Distillation Design, McGraw-Hill, 1992, pp. 275-282.
    Luyben, William L., "Introduction" in Practical Distillation Control (W.L. Luyben, ed.), Van Nostrand Reinhold, 1992, pp. 10-11.
    McCabe, W.L., J.C. Smith, P. Harriott, Unit Operations of Chemical Engineering, 5th Edition, McGraw-Hill, 1993, pp. 560-568.
    Seader, J.D. and Ernest J. Henley, Separation Process Principles, John Wiley, 1998, pp. 305-312.
  • You can study the material found in many web sites on the internet.  One such site is Dr. Randel Price's (http://facstaff.cbu.edu/rprice/) and a sample of his lecture notes is attached.

 

Attached File  7-Distillation - Principles.docx   41.13KB   117 downloads

Attached File  8-Distillation II - Modeling.docx   43.81KB   92 downloads

Attached File  9-Distillation III - Operating Equations.docx   51.76KB   84 downloads

Attached File  10-Distillation IV - Calculations.docx   65.62KB   111 downloads

Attached File  11-Distillation V - Ethalpy Balances.docx   39.63KB   80 downloads

Attached File  12-Distillation VI - Enthalpy Concentration Methods.docx   63.35KB   71 downloads

Attached File  13-Distillation VII - Equipment & Column Sizing.docx   56.11KB   109 downloads

Attached File  14-Batch Distillation.docx   45.86KB   78 downloads




#118796 Cheresources Outage And Thanks

Posted by Pilesar on 01 July 2019 - 06:31 AM

The recent outage of this site brings to mind clearly that I owe a public expression of appreciation to the owners, operators, and contributing experts of Cheresources.com. This online resource has taught me invaluable practical lessons and I am a better engineer for it. Besides my being able to do a better job for my employer, Cheresources.com increases my career satisfaction in being a part of such a great profession. I am able to better appreciate the value of a competent engineer and the dangers of ignorance and engineering malpractice. Who can count how many industrial accidents have been indirectly prevented because Cheresources.com exists and improves the ability of those who use the site? Users of Cheresources.com take the knowledge gained here to teach others off line. I sincerely believe the world is a better place because of Cheresources.com.
 
I don't know what caused the recent outage, but as it continued so long, my biggest concern was missing the opportunity to express my gratitude to the contributors and behind-the-scenes leaders of this site. You have made a positive difference in my life and I thank you.



#114712 Over Flow Line Sizing

Posted by katmar on 02 June 2018 - 03:50 AM

Breizh has pointed you in exactly the right direction. Based on the drawing you have now submitted, I believe that if you follow the link that Breizh gave you, you download Art Montemayor's spreadsheet with the Hills procedure and you follow that logic in your design there is a 99% chance that it will cover everything you need.  If you fall into the 1% that is not covered (because there is other information that you have not explained to us) then follow Breizh's second suggestion and do some searching on this forum and the internet in general.  And if you still have problems then write a post explaining what you have done and what your problem still is.

 

If you are going to be lazy and follow rules of thumb or ask other engineers to do your work for you, you will never get anywhere.




#113611 Peng Robinson Nrtl (Lcvm) With Prode

Posted by marchem on 14 March 2018 - 11:13 AM

with LCVM, Huron-Vidal etc. mixing rules,  Prode Properties utilizes the NRTL (or UNIQUAC, WILSON etc.)  parameters when available, differently, the usual EOS Kij

 

see this screenshot including both Kij and Aij values

 

BdkvRN.jpg

 

note that calculated values are equal to those calculated with the EOS for all binary pairs where NRTL or Wilson or UNIQUAC values are not defined...

 




#113017 Backpressure And Min Temperature In Depressurization

Posted by Amit J on 01 February 2018 - 09:06 AM

Which tool is to be used depends on your objective. I think there are two scenarios & I am elaborating it because of lack of knowledge of your objective.

 

1) If you are going to do cold venting and intent of your study is to find out minimum design temperature of metal, then first use Hysys  depressurisation utility. In this utility, assumed backpressure of 2 psig will provide for maximum differential pressure across RO and thus it will give peak flow and corresponding minimum temperature. Further to this build model (as per isometrics) in flarenet and use peak flow rate (from Hysys depressurisation utility) to analyse vent header. In this case flarenet will calculate actual back pressure and corresponding minimum temperature. you can use this temperature to finalise your material.

 

Note that no need to go back to Hysys depressurisation utility with backpressure given in flarenet.

 

2) If you have flare and you are analysing flare network, then go for Flarenet. In this case first use Hysys depressurisation utility with Flare tip pressure drop (data to be taken from flare tip vendor, but for preliminary study you can assume same from literature) as backpressure and find out peak flow rate. Then build model (as per isometrics) in flarenet and use peak flow rate (from Hysys depressurisation utility) to analyse flare model. In this you case, you need to study various parameters like Mach no., rho V2 criteria, noise limits prior to freezing your flare network configuration. you can use minimum temperature from this study for metal selection.

Please note that if there are more sources releasing simultaneously into flare header, then consideration of conservative scenario with operational knowledge is important in this case.

 

On a practical note, if you don't have time or enough resources ( like isometrics, vendor data etc.) then use minimum temperature given by Hysys depressurisation utility (by assuming 2 psig backpressure) as minimum metal design temperature.

 

Hope this helps.




#110118 Calculo Presion Tanque Glp - Calculate Lpg Tank Pressure

Posted by Art Montemayor on 17 June 2017 - 05:02 PM

Gustavo:

 

Aun no me has contestado mis preguntas.  No sé que ingeniería estudias, en que año estas, o cuantos cursos en ingeniería has tomado (especialmente aquellos sobre equilibrio de fases).  Sin saber esos particulares, no puedo ayudarte en lo que necesitas.  Por lo tanto voy a dedicar algunas palabras generales a lo que yo identifico como información importante que hace falta en cursos universitarios de ingeniería:

  • Lamentablemente, la mayoría de estudios universitarios que tratan con la ciencia pura solo se dedican a los compuestos o elementos PUROSLa realidad del hecho es que en la vida real jamás vas a encontrar compuestos o elementos químicos que están en el estado puro.  Somos nosotros los ingenieros que tenemos que enfrontarnos con los compuestos mixtos en la vida real.  Y para poder trabajar con dichos compuestos, tenemos que saber y dominar equilibrio de fases.  Esto incluye estudios termodinámicos que incluyen temas como los diagramas termodinámicos tipo “Mollier” o de temperatura-entropía.
  • Un mezcla de hidrocarburos - como lo es el GLP - es una mezcla de gases (a condiciones ambientales) que se almacena en el estado LICUADO y saturado.  Esto se hace así porque el estado licuado contiene más masa unitaria que el estado gaseoso.  Esto es una decisión practica y de sentido común que lo hacemos los ingenieros que somos prácticos.  Un metro cubico de capacidad simplemente contiene más masa en el estado licuado que en el estado gaseoso - y se necesita menos espesor de tanque, como veras más abajo.
  • Sucede que una mezcla de butano+propano licuada a condiciones saturadas va generar una presión de vapor que es menos que 200 psig cuando esta a temperaturas ambientales (esto lo vez en la tabla que adjunte a mi previo post).
  • Ya que sabemos que no vamos a necesitar más de 200 psig, la industria de fabricacion de tanques a presión emplea planchas de acero “standard” (lo que existe en plaza) para fabricar este tipo de tanque y se encuentra que estos tanque pueden aguantar hasta 250-300 psig MAWP (Maximum Allowable Working Pressure = presión máxima de trabajo), lo que permite instalar una válvula de seguridad fijada a esas presiones.
  • Por lo anterior, el resultado es que estos tanques son mas que adecuados en forma de seguridad y no hay por qué temer que existen problemas de sobre-presión.
  • No olvides: el GLP existe dentro el tanque en la forma SATURADA.  Su presión de vapor varia según la temperatura que existe en el ambiente.  También se podría almacenarse el GLP a temperaturas mucho menores - lo que resultaría en tanques con un espesor menos en sus planchas de acero.  Pero ese tipo de diseño requiere aleaciones de acero que son más caras y además el tanque tuviese que ser aislado - detalles que resultan en un tanque que no es practico ni económico.  Es por eso que la industria siempre emplea tanque de acero sin aislamiento y de planchas de acero que están en plaza, son económicas, y de un espesor aceptable debido a la relativamente baja presión de vapor que rinde el GLP a temperaturas ambientales.

 

Todos estos factores sobre los cuales hablo no los vas a oír en un salón de clase en una universidad.  Esto no sucede porque tus profesores son ignorantes sobre la ingeniería.  Es cosa que los profesores no tienen la experiencia práctica en haber trabajado en la industria porque habrán tenido que pasar sus años cualificando para sus posiciones en facultades.  Por esa razón es que sigo recalcando en cada oportunidad que tengo con estudiantes de ingeniería que deberían usar su sentido común e ingenio en toda oportunidad que tengan con respeto a problemas de ingeniería.  Por eso es que nos llaman “ingenieros” - porque solucionamos problemas empleando el ingenio.

 

Ojala esto te ayude en orientarte mejor en futuros problemas.

 




#109911 Cumene Production Process

Posted by breizh on 04 June 2017 - 08:21 PM

hi ,

Consider this presentation to support your work , you may find what you are looking for.

good luck.

 

Breizh

Attached Files




#109716 Phosphate Dosing Point In High Pressure Boiler

Posted by Mahdi1980 on 25 May 2017 - 03:33 AM

Hi,

 

You may find the required information through the enclosed file.

 

 

Attached Files




#108931 Chemical Engineering Plant Cost Index (Cepci)

Posted by breizh on 04 April 2017 - 04:11 PM

Hi ,

the latest figures
 

Final DEC 2016 :550.9

Preliminary January 2017 :553

 

2016 end : 541.7

 

 

Breizh




#117410 Solubility Of Hydrogen Sulfide In Petroleum

Posted by PingPong on 18 February 2019 - 04:06 AM

You don't need to do complicated VLE calculations.

 

A value for total absolute pressure P is required but normally that is known.

But even if it is not known you can simply assume a value for P to determine H.

 

For example, using the graph in GPSA EDB, the K-value for H2S in hydrocarbons is:

K = 32  at P =   1 bar & 38 oC

K = 3.2 at P = 10 bar & 38 oC

 

So at 1 bar Henry constant H = 32 * 1 = 32 bar at 38 oC

and at 10 bar Henry constant H = 3.2 * 10 = 32 bar at 38 oC

 

It makes no difference what P is because K is inversely proportional to P as long as P is not too high (see graph).

In other words: only at very high pressures H is dependent on P.