Dear Sirs,
when Simulating column, i had observed that the temperature of the column top vap. inside the column environment and outside the column are different.Please suggest what is the reason.If we change the transfer basis as T-H basis it is same but vapor fraction differs.
Please suggest the reason for this and how to simulate in proper way.
Regards,
Stu
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Started by stu, Jul 02 2011 06:38 AM
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Posted 02 July 2011 - 06:38 AM
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Posted 02 July 2011 - 04:19 PM
you do not mention the software and the specific case which may suggest the reason (partial condenser ? pressure drop ? numerical tolerance ?), a difference in temperature could be originated by a pressure drop or by some enthalpy addition/subtraction (for example a stage dp, a partial condenser etc.), there could be also little differences due to numerical tolerances etc.
Perhaps the book of Kister with the description of methods for solving columns could help.
Perhaps the book of Kister with the description of methods for solving columns could help.
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Posted 05 July 2011 - 03:19 AM
Could be two reasons that I can think of
1. Different fluid packages. Two different fluid packages (or rather property packages) can give you different results i.e. vapor fraction for the same conditions i.e. P & T. T-H by itself is not preferable method as transfer basis. P-H is default one and is also used in the downstream of all unit operations (which you can't change). If you have a change in fluid package; P-T would be preferable.
2. Inconsistent flashes of fluid package. You can find out this by first using P-T flash (define P & T of stream), copy enthalpy value calculated for this flash and use as input in P-H flash (define P & H rather than P & T for the same stream); this should give you same value of T which was used earlier. Similarly you can also check reliability of T-H flash as well.
Temperature can't be different because of any of the above reasons if you are using T-H flash as basis. If it is, don't worry because problem is not in your simulation; it is in your simulation tool so report bug to support.
Hope this helps.
1. Different fluid packages. Two different fluid packages (or rather property packages) can give you different results i.e. vapor fraction for the same conditions i.e. P & T. T-H by itself is not preferable method as transfer basis. P-H is default one and is also used in the downstream of all unit operations (which you can't change). If you have a change in fluid package; P-T would be preferable.
2. Inconsistent flashes of fluid package. You can find out this by first using P-T flash (define P & T of stream), copy enthalpy value calculated for this flash and use as input in P-H flash (define P & H rather than P & T for the same stream); this should give you same value of T which was used earlier. Similarly you can also check reliability of T-H flash as well.
Temperature can't be different because of any of the above reasons if you are using T-H flash as basis. If it is, don't worry because problem is not in your simulation; it is in your simulation tool so report bug to support.
Hope this helps.
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