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#1 farid.k

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Posted 11 October 2018 - 11:26 PM

Hye there. Just a quick question on the setting pressures for internal relief valve in PD pump and external. Let say we have both, hot to set the pressure? I am thinking of pump internal should be lower then external relief valve.
Basis is as external relief valve would be final ultimate over pressure protection. Any other idea or reference standard?

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Posted 12 October 2018 - 12:58 AM

Hye there. Just a quick question on the setting pressures for internal relief valve in PD pump and external. Let say we have both, hot to set the pressure? I am thinking of pump internal should be lower then external relief valve.
Basis is as external relief valve would be final ultimate over pressure protection. Any other idea or reference standard?

 

Hi Farid,

 

Actually, the internal relief valve is a small valve to protect the pump against very short time blockage in discharge line and, as you rightly said, the main over protection function is given to the external relief valve. Hence, it's obvious the set pressure of external relief valve is higher than internal one as the external one would be activated once internal one cannot remove created over pressure.



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Posted 12 October 2018 - 01:10 AM


Hye there. Just a quick question on the setting pressures for internal relief valve in PD pump and external. Let say we have both, hot to set the pressure? I am thinking of pump internal should be lower then external relief valve.
Basis is as external relief valve would be final ultimate over pressure protection. Any other idea or reference standard?


Hi Farid,

Actually, the internal relief valve is a small valve to protect the pump against very short time blockage in discharge line and, as you rightly said, the main over protection function is given to the external relief valve. Hence, it's obvious the set pressure of external relief valve is higher than internal one as the external one would be activated once internal one cannot remove created over pressure.

Dear fallah, thanks for the feedback. Regarding to set pressure which is set staggered (internal rv pressure set lower then external rv set pressure), is there any reference standard or something?i don't think so isn't? Just that the most important things is external rv set pressure must protect the discharge piping system.

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Posted 12 October 2018 - 01:34 AM

 

Dear fallah, thanks for the feedback. Regarding to set pressure which is set staggered (internal rv pressure set lower then external rv set pressure), is there any reference standard or something?i don't think so isn't? Just that the most important things is external rv set pressure must protect the discharge piping system.

 

 

Dear Farid,

 

In fact, if we would just rely on internal relief valve it takes no long, due to internal re-circulation through mentioned valve along with increasing the fluid pressure and temperature, the pump will be severely damaged. Hence, the external relief valve not only should protect downstream system, either piping or equipment, but also is to be considered as final protection of the PD pump itself.



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Posted 12 October 2018 - 04:52 AM


Dear fallah, thanks for the feedback. Regarding to set pressure which is set staggered (internal rv pressure set lower then external rv set pressure), is there any reference standard or something?i don't think so isn't? Just that the most important things is external rv set pressure must protect the discharge piping system.


Dear Farid,

In fact, if we would just rely on internal relief valve it takes no long, due to internal re-circulation through mentioned valve along with increasing the fluid pressure and temperature, the pump will be severely damaged. Hence, the external relief valve not only should protect downstream system, either piping or equipment, but also is to be considered as final protection of the PD pump itself.

Ok. Letsay pump rated pressure can deliver is 50 barg, process reqired pressure is say 40 barg, should i set external relief valve below 50 barg i.e 48 barg or set more than rated pressure i.e 52 barg? I would say 48 is better as it also can protect pump, and also piping system. What say you?

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Posted 12 October 2018 - 05:30 AM

 

Ok. Letsay pump rated pressure can deliver is 50 barg, process reqired pressure is say 40 barg, should i set external relief valve below 50 barg i.e 48 barg or set more than rated pressure i.e 52 barg? I would say 48 is better as it also can protect pump, and also piping system. What say you?

 

 

Maximum set pressure of external relief valve is lower of pump design pressure value and downstream design pressure value. Hence please clarify about downstream design pressure of the system you described.



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Posted 12 October 2018 - 07:18 AM


Ok. Letsay pump rated pressure can deliver is 50 barg, process reqired pressure is say 40 barg, should i set external relief valve below 50 barg i.e 48 barg or set more than rated pressure i.e 52 barg? I would say 48 is better as it also can protect pump, and also piping system. What say you?


Maximum set pressure of external relief valve is lower of pump design pressure value and downstream design pressure value. Hence please clarify about downstream design pressure of the system you described.

Current situation is Piping design pressure = relief valve set pressure = lower then pump design pressure/rated pressure it can deliver.

I think this should be ok.

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Posted 12 October 2018 - 07:56 AM   Best Answer

 

Current situation is Piping design pressure = relief valve set pressure = lower then pump design pressure/rated pressure it can deliver.

I think this should be ok.

 

 

Yes, it's OK...



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Posted 16 December 2018 - 11:23 AM

 

Hye there. Just a quick question on the setting pressures for internal relief valve in PD pump and external. Let say we have both, hot to set the pressure? I am thinking of pump internal should be lower then external relief valve.
Basis is as external relief valve would be final ultimate over pressure protection. Any other idea or reference standard?

 

Hi Farid,

 

Actually, the internal relief valve is a small valve to protect the pump against very short time blockage in discharge line and, as you rightly said, the main over protection function is given to the external relief valve. Hence, it's obvious the set pressure of external relief valve is higher than internal one as the external one would be activated once internal one cannot remove created over pressure.

 

hi, 

if we need to keep external psv set press. higher than the internal relief, so how much higher?. that is obvoiosly true that it can not be higher than pipe rating.



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Posted 16 December 2018 - 11:24 AM

hi member,

 

if we need to keep external psv set press. higher than the internal relief, so how much higher?. that is obvoiosly true that it can not be higher than pipe rating.






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