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To Use A Nitrogen As An Instrument Air


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#1 Guest_Guest_need_help_*

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Posted 04 February 2006 - 01:25 AM

dear friend..

my company producing Vinyl Chloride Monomer.
now we are facing shortage of AIR due to limitation of our AIR Compressor Motor current. in other case we are wasting Nitrogen as an excess production from our Air Separation Unit to atmosfer around 1500 Nm3/h.
i have an idea to utilize the Nitrogen excees to used as an Instrument Air. this may be can help our Air shortega problem.our Instrument Air consumtion is around 800 Nm3/h.

my question is:

1. is it possible to use Nitrogen as an instrument air?
2. what is the risk of my planning.. ( from safety and equipment "control valve" performance)
3. can any body give me a reference (document, article, or disipline engineering about that)

thanks...

#2 Art Montemayor

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Posted 04 February 2006 - 11:32 AM

Before you do anything else, please read the following thread in the Industrial Safety Forum:

http://www.cheresour...?showtopic=1054

There are many other threads in this website - especially this Profession Industrial Form - which deal with and discuss the hazards attached to the utilization of Nitrogen in or around industrial processes. For example, refer to the last two postings on:

http://www.cheresour...?showtopic=1036

As I've stated many times before, the temptation to employ N2 as an instrument air substitute is always present but you should also be aware of the potential tragic hazards it carries. I say this with personal experience since I was fortunate in avoiding a very tragic asphyxiation incident early in my career. It also involved using N2 as an instrument air substitute. Four operators in an enclosed control room full of pneumatic instrumentation almost asphyxiated due to this oversight. I've never forgotten this incident that ocurred when I was starting up a plant in Geel, Belgium around 1970 and I swore I would never allow such an incident to ever become possible in my career again.

Bear in mind that inherently Nitrogen is going to be far more expensive to consume than compressed instrument air. The waste Nitrogen from your air separation column is probably close to atmospheric pressure so it has to be compressed with a compressor to be usable. So you really don't even have an economic advantage or reason for using it. The only way you can justify it is if it is available as a disposable, impure stream at the required pressure or if you are going to employ it only for a brief period while you get your instrument air supply back on stream. You fail to explain your reasons or detailed plans on the utilization of Nitrogen as an instrument fluid --- but regardless of your reasons or plans, an accident can still happen within a short period.

I strongly advise you to NOT go forward with this idea. 13 Nm3/min of air is a hell of a lot of instrument air. Your Nitrogen costs are going to be expensive. But more importantly, your safety risks are going to be what I consider as unacceptable. You can go bankrupt and go on with your life. However, you can never bring back deceased workers back to life.

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Posted 07 February 2006 - 09:42 AM

first thanks for your advises.


just for information, my excess N2 has 7.5 barg pressure from our Air separation unit.
and we dont have any pneumatic control/control valve which are inside an enclosed room. all our control valve are outside plant.

thanks again for your information, i will take your experience and keep it in my mind.

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Posted 02 March 2006 - 05:50 AM

I presume you have considered the dew point requiremetns also. This nitrogen is likely to be water saturated, whereas instrument air is typically considered to be dry, water dew point well below the minimum operating temperature. Water condensation in your instrument tubings could lead to a multitude of problems.

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Posted 02 March 2006 - 06:33 AM

The original post states the source of the Nitrogen as being an air separation plant. As such, the Nitrogen product will be 100% absolutely dry since it will have undergone cryogenic distillation and comes out as the overhead product of the Low Pressure Column.

I don't believe any water content or dewpoint will be detected on this Nitrogen source.

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Posted 03 March 2006 - 12:13 PM

its correct, our excess N2 is dry enough to be used as instrument air (dew point around -60)

because it coming from our air separation unit which is has molecular sieve dryer in the air inlet. when our molecular sieve dryer is getting failure, our cold box will be shut down to prevent water come into cold box which will freeze and reduce our cold box performance.

actually we had ance experience to put the N2 in our instrument air, it was 4 years ago when our instrument air was failure. as i saw IA header pressure dropping continusly, then i decide to connect ( temporary hose) from N2 header to the IA header. we run this condition for emergency condition around 3 to 4 hours.

that why now i have plan to make permanent conection between IA and N2 header.

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Posted 17 March 2006 - 09:57 AM

N2 is used as a backup supply for instrument air in a Western Austrlain Nickel Refinery. However before this was connected extensive hazops were conducted to ensure that cross conections couldn't have any effect on instrument users elsewhere. It has proven to be very reliableas the instrument air is derived from an onsire air compressor.

If you are going to use N2 then please take really extra care in the Hazop to clarly define what can go wrong. Be particularly careful of cross over connections!!!!!!

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Posted 18 March 2006 - 05:39 PM

Early in my career, a pilot plant I worked in used N2 exclusively for instruments inside of a closed building! However, the system was safe because of the number of air changes per hour dictated by process, personnel and safety needs.

In another plant I was involved with, I was instrumental in desigining a system where N2 was secondary/final backup for instrument air. First backup was plant air (which was, in fact, same air but segregated to different header) followed by N2. Initial design was to use manual hose connect for N2 after an IA failure but the solution that I and the instrument engineer came up with passed the HAzop study. The system has been in use now for more than 10 years. A subsequent expansion at the same site utilized the same approach a few years later.

As others have stated, one has to be careful when using N2 as IA substitute. However, I would not rule it out as long as a robust system could be designed and maintained.

Having said all that, in an open structure with grated flooring, I don't see a major issue with utilizing N2. In fact, I congratulate the original poster with his innovative idea!


QUOTE (Phil @ Mar 17 2006, 09:57 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
N2 is used as a backup supply for instrument air in a Western Austrlain Nickel Refinery. However before this was connected extensive hazops were conducted to ensure that cross conections couldn't have any effect on instrument users elsewhere. It has proven to be very reliableas the instrument air is derived from an onsire air compressor.

If you are going to use N2 then please take really extra care in the Hazop to clarly define what can go wrong. Be particularly careful of cross over connections!!!!!!


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Posted 25 March 2006 - 01:36 AM

i was working also before in a petrochemical plant which is using N2 as Instuments air back up. practically its very rear to use it. the N2 back up will be used only when our instrument air system got failure.
in the begining we weren't having the connection system between N2 and the IA. after that we were facing IA failure, than instead of keeping plant goes to emergency shut down, we made temporary hose conection between N2 and IA. after that incident, we change the temporary connection bocame permanent one.
since then we never worry about IA air faiulre.




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